Recent comments in /f/vermont

HeadPen5724 t1_j6hrh3u wrote

Trump was never part of a runoff??

I’m not sure about Lepage, I don’t follow ME politics since they’re fairly irrelevant to Vt.

It saves like 5 minutes of time, minimal money (which if costs were a concern we wouldn’t do mass mail out ballots and would just have people request absentee ballots so that “benefit” comes off as a bit silly and a lot hypocritical)

You didn’t save me anything… you’ve waste more of my time spouting redundant talking points then it would take to request an absentee ballot, fill it out and send it back in.

That and it violates the one person one vote principle that really is the foundation of democracy for people who don’t rank every candidate.

It’s not just me who didn’t like it… it was a VAST MAJORITY. You seem to think everyone who voted using IRV previously were idiots and now a days everyone’s smarter, even though many of those same people will still be voting.

Finally if you are voting for the lesser of two evils and not the best candidate please stop worrying about IRV and try to focus on just plain voting. You’re doing it wrong.

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oldbeardedtech t1_j6ho0ij wrote

Depends how fast you go thru it. Wife goes on maple binges where she'll burn thru a quart a month and leaves it out. No issues

Back and forth from fridge to counter (warming to room temp then back to fridge) can cause crystallization. Got a huge rock candy at the bottom of a jug once

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cepheus42 t1_j6hmz8w wrote

You didn't describe any "traditional" runoff, you just said runoff. I just saved you SHIT loads of time and money with my instant runoff versus your "traditional" runoff. Boom, it's done at the same time, on the same ballot. At the polls or mail in, it doesn't matter, it saves time, money, and effort. VASTLY superior if you could think it through. But you're clinging to one event in your life which didn't go your way. Meanwhile, entire countries have used this system easily and successfully for decades.

The country lived through Trump, elected via the "traditional" way. And Maine lived through LePage, elected via the "traditional" way TWICE. And I could run through ENDLESS lists of terrible, horrible, disgusting people who got elected without winning a plurality of support because of your preferred method of voting "which has worked for 200 years," and hasn't worked at all during that time period. Instead, we keep voting for the "lesser of two evils" because to vote any other way is guaranteed to ensure the DEEPLY evil assholes win.

But sure, you cling to that one local election that didn't go the way you wanted as proof it doesn't work. It only tells me folks in Burlington did a shit job educating folks on the system and how it works.

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cepheus42 t1_j6hmgll wrote

Mass confusion should be blamed on a failure to educate your voters. That's not a failure of ranked choice voting.

How many times has normal "first past the post" voting failed now? Thousands. Look at Maine and their two-term governor Paul "Drunk asshole and fuck the poor" LePage, who billed himself as "Donald before he was Donald." Splitting the vote is the only reason he got in the first time, with something like 37% of the total vote. He was despised. He never won an actual plurality. When MORE than 50% of your voters hate someone, the system is broken. At least with RCV, you guarantee that 50% of the voters think the winner is at least tolerable.

Mass confusion is often what happens on voter referendums, too. They word them in such a way no one is sure what voting for or against them really means. Should we ban all voter referendums, too? Or maybe... you know... require they word them clearly?

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_j6hkfyr wrote

There is literally no time shooting a coyote is illegal in VT. There is a defined trapping season but not a defined hunting season. Facts matter.

> In Vermont, coyotes can be hunted at any time during the year

https://vtfishandwildlife.com/learn-more/vermont-critters/mammals/coyote#:~:text=In%20Vermont%2C%20coyotes%20can%20be,and%20runs%20through%20December%2031.

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HeadPen5724 t1_j6hkeo3 wrote

I’m aware of the so-called benefits (and I agree there are a few minimal benefits) I’m also aware of the pitfalls having already participated in IRV in VT and the resulting aftermath from that debacle... Back when Burlington voters almost immediately reverted to traditional runoffs (with broad support) after giving IRV a try resulting in the reelection of Bob Kiss. The benefits do not outweigh the downsides is what we learned from the last time. Sometimes it’s best to learn from past mistakes and not repeat them 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Kurigana t1_j6hdybq wrote

Reply to Vermont font? by AgentDZN

This isn't a font, it's a specific art made by the artist specifically for this Vermont logo. You won't find it because it doesn't exist.

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