You literally ignored the message that stated that it included ALL the manufacturing from start to finish, including transportation.

Oh that answers it, you're on that side of the political spectrum so you have been totally brainwashed.

Were you born stupid, or did you have to work at it? Why try and spout bullshit you don't understand?

Thousands of thousands of PhD holding climate scientists and regular scientists world wide are wrong, and you are right. /S

My god why do people who don't understand what they are talking about try and join the conversation to change peoples minds.

So mining the raw materials has zero impact to the net CO2 ? Because everything to keep a V8 on the road is all tallied into running a V8 for 100000 miles, calculating what batteries put off once created is great and all, but that's not a true measure. Also not to mention the batteries on a Prius are recycled as they used whole material vs plates material. Plating zinc with a tiny bit of cobalt for a lithium battery is what's happening now, when exactly are people gonna recycle for trace amounts of materials? Like we can't even get people on board with recycling bottles and cans that have a deposit on them here in VT never mind the rest of the country that largely does zero recycling.

Incredible!!

Historical documentation of the term shows that "Indian summer" most likely refers to a period of warm and hazy fall weather when certain First Nations peoples liked to hunt, and is not related to the pejorative term "indian giver." But yes, it has absolutely nothing to do with warm weather in the depths of winter.

Yea no, EV'S from battery to finish line 2400/2800KG of Co2 equivalent where as Gasoline is 12,549KG of Co2 Equivalent, and on top of that, these batteries are recycled.

From Start of Manufacturing, Conventional Cars still produce more emissions

Stop spreading misinformation.

A gas cars lifetime GHG is 350gram/per mile where as in an EV'S entire lifetime its 140/Per Mile, including battery manufacturing.

EPA GHG Emissions for Gas and Electric

Most electronic vehicles run better, and perform better in pretty much every way.

Also, you're not accounting for all of the other stuff required to make a regular combustion engine run, and everything else that is constantly needed to be produced for them, including an insane amount of oil.

The transportation of unrefined oil, to refined oil, to back into a vehicle, to delivery, to the oil in your car, to the gasoline in your car etc.

Facts over feelings.

FACT: Electric vehicles typically have a smaller carbon footprint than gasoline cars, even when accounting for the electricity used for charging.

FACT**: The greenhouse gas emissions associated with an electric vehicle over its lifetime are typically lower than those from an average gasoline-powered vehicle, even when accounting for manufacturing.**

Electric vehicles (EVs) have no tailpipe emissions. Generating the electricity used to charge EVs, however, may create carbon pollution. The amount varies widely based on how local power is generated, e.g., using coal or natural gas, which emit carbon pollution, versus renewable resources like wind or solar, which do not. Even accounting for these electricity emissions, research shows that an EV is typically responsible for lower levels of greenhouse gases (GHGs) than an average new gasoline car.

"Otherwise, shut the fuck up and quit stirring the pot" as you say.

Why spout bullshit you pulled out of your ass?

Only in The state sub that belongs to Vermont…

Do redditors discuss sub bots with in-depth understanding.

Let me put it to you easy you can either build billion dollar schools or billion dollar prisons your choice pick now!

Not a teacher but a parent. I subbed in schools for 6 years and my mom recently retired from teaching in VT. My stepdad is a teacher, my bio dad and step mother are retired administrators.

My concern is r/teachers. My god. I read some of those posts and the negativity and how they clearly hate their students and I am scared for my daughter and her classmates.

Yes, budget cuts are real and are a concern. Programs are being taken away. My kid is and always has been a middle of the road kid. Not IEP, only on a medical 504, not high honors. She’s honor roll or just below. She’s in the group that all of the programs have been cut from. No more two day field trips to Plimouth. No more salmon swimming. No more ski program. No more enrichment.

So you have budget cuts that bring in teachers who hate teaching and hate the kids and what do you get? Unhappy, under educated students.

My mom said even with her worst behaved students, she tried to find at least one thing to like and connect with them on. What is so hard about that?

Thank you so much! I guess I could always use zone 5 for the more tolerant cold plants and switch to 4 just to be save for the more delicate ones ~ great advice thanks!

My wife reminded me the other day that every February since we moved here I go through my mild stretch of weather meltdown, cry winter is over, then get dumped on in March. Climate is def changing, but its going to take some time to get from where we are now to hiking and mountain biking in March, like my toddler nephews probably won't need to teach their children how to ski, Stowe won't cease to be a ski resort in my lifetime.

Thank you! I’ll be about half a mile from the lake so this is perfect. Is there a local place you recommend getting the seeds at? Turnips and their greens are some of my absolute favorites

Not a climate change denier, but I can tell you EV cars being built account for as much pollution to be made as driving a V8 100k miles. Battery tech is still 25 years from being clean enough to make the switch. So all the smug assholes in their Teslas and Rivians can preach all they want, but they are as bad as the guy buying a Ram 3500 gas powered to commute in. Want real change, target gross amounts of gases released including consumer goods, ships, planes, trains, busses, factories worldwide and power generation world wide. Otherwise shut the fuck up and quit stirring the pot.

So I live about 100 yards from the lake in the southend of Burlington. It moderates the temperature considerably. I am able to get away with growing things other parts of VT could only dream. Turnip, potatoes, asparagus can be grown pretty much anywhere. I do recommend the Gilfeather Turnip. It has been bred for VT.

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Lol, from the individual who created r/PoliticsVermont a month ago, and posts there incessantly.

Well, if you want to grow potatoes, asparagus, and turnips, you will surely not be disappointed, as they all grow just fine without issues.

For more sensitive stuff, historically zone 4 was more accurate, but the last decade has at least been on the edge of 5, with a small asterisk depending on elevation. Median last frost was around June 1, but I don’t think that it’s come after May 15 for at least ten years, and the season goes much further into the fall than it used to.

It is deeply not what Musk did lmao

When you say, "facts are facts," what you mean is, "my opinions are facts and if you disagree with it, you're wrong....and you're dumb....and you should be ashamed of yourself for being so dumb....and your mother was a hamster.....and your father smelt of elderberries!"

I don't remember this issue when the posts were 90% dogs!

Bring back simpler times. Bring back the dogs!

So what you’re telling me is that you remember my experience better than I do. My memory isn’t that short. I would consistently ice fish out in front of Eagle Mountain in Milton every year when I lived in Georgia around Christmas time. This was the mid-1990s. I lived there for 10 years. I remember because I would always have fish for New Year’s Eve. Thanks for your input.

Watch them UAPs.

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I am an odd mix of contrarian and geek so im gonna ignore the social convention of sticking to your qualifiers and comment regardless,lol. Have human industries had and continue to have an effect on the weather and climate? Sure OfC they impact it. Overall though will it end all life on the planet? Nah, we have had 20 degree swings before in either direction.

Sure it would wreck island nations and coastal communities, thats not new either. We have to adapt, pursue newer technologies as they become viable..AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT AS DESTRUCTIVE AS THE ONES THEY REPLACE! ( sorry pet peeve there ).. and then eventually get off the planet if we are serious about REALLY saving it.