My dog got an ice burr between his toes so I turned back right before treeline. Super frustrating...but the mountain isn't going anywhere....

Zones are more important for perennials than for annuals. But since you asked, plan for zone 4 and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

replace "fishing" with "hiking" and your all-caps paragraph has been said about 10,000 times in the White Mountain National Forest subreddit

people don't listen there, either

Try High Mowing Seeds—they’re based in Vermont, and I’ve had good luck with their seeds. For seedlings, I like Cate Farms. Don’t let this weekend’s weather trick you though! Our last frost is usually the first week in June. Most people say Memorial Day as the first day you can reliably put things in the ground without freezing them to death.

Police reports say all three lived in state.

They spent so long pretending Climate change wasn't real they started believe their own bullshit.

There's probably 10+ inches up there. It's fine.

This is the sunk cost fallacy and almost everyone does it. The first step to avoiding it is understanding it.

They kinda did. Briefly.

Yeah, one time I was hiking Mt Moosilauke and had to turn around 75% of the way to the top cuz of lightning. No way I want to be above tree line for that

>why Republicans have any relevancy at all

That is mostly due to the christian-nationalists and the hundred dollariares who simp for the billionaires they fantasize about being while doing an endless grind into obscurity with their daily lives.

It actually does. Obviously it won't help these guys, but by pointing out the stupidity of it you could easily help someone to avoid being the next guy. Our entire prison system is based on a similar principle.

Karma doesn't farm itself

[deleted]

It's about being careful. Life is full of risks. It doesn't mean we can't enjoy the things we love to do.

No, I just said Nazi’s, fascists, dictators, call ‘em whatever you want. How about tyrants…you think like them or suffer the consequences.

That all sounds like it adds up to "Not worth the risk."

The youngest of these three was 62. I'm gonna say age is more of a factor in the lack of overlap. The ice fishing subs and FB groups actually stay kind of busy.

I caught them one night taking the dog out for potty. This was years ago and mfrs wouldn't stop. Just a super long line

Yes, meth is bad! Get it? Ice, meth! Oh, I crack myself up. Now back to your original program of redditors redditing. Peace!

62, 71, and 88.

Kids these days...

But OP never made the claim that actions taken by Vermonters will change anything. It's like me saying "gun violence is a problem" and someone else saying "well hey, tell me what defunding the police has done to help that". It's a straw man--OP has made argument A and you're turning around and saying, hey OP, argument B sucks.

OK. You're the only one talking about argument B here, though, so you're just kind of arguing with yourself.

10”-12” of ice on the lake in Lamoille county I was on this morning. That’ was the depth of 3 holes I probed w my ski pole while XC skiing. That’s plenty of ice here but it certainly varies according to local weather, depth of water, currents etc. I def wouldn’t go out on lake Champlain right now

Got it, thanks for the explanation. Was not familiar with "heating degree days".

Based on their post, I assume the OP is critical of those who question climate change.

While I don’t question climate change, I am also not naive to the fact that any and all actions taken by Vermont and its residents will do fuck all for preventing/reducing climate change.

So, when the OP is dismissive and calls people deniers it really solves nothing and further serves to divide people.

Personally, I’d rather spend state resources on educating our children than giving a rich people a discount on a Tesla or a heat pump while we tax the rural poor for trying to survive.