What matters is ice thickness, not air temperature.

They're not that closely related, and there's plenty of times when it's warm out, there's big puddles all over and it's perfectly safe to be on the ice. (and plenty of times of the inverse).

That said, common sense should prevail - if it hasn't been a very cold winter and it's recently been warm....you ought to be checking more carefully than normal. And certainly shouldn't be winging it.

A guy at my work was out there earlier in the day. He said it was 8-10" close to shore, and got thinner as you went out. They got to where it was 5" and turned around. 4-6" is recommended for ATVs. The guys were in a side by side which is almost a VW beetle sized ATV. I'm guessing 4" of ice. In the first week of January, the lake temp was still in the 50s! Crazy.

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Oh dear you are correct

Throwing your hands up in the air and going "Welp, people dump more shit in the water than I do" isn't going to do anything to solve the problem.

Nah Karen's done usually care about someone else's life, just their own.

NAILED IT! It’s SJW types that make liberals seem like fucking pussies. We can’t get that whiny part of the ideology to shut the fuck up and stop telling everyone why their ancestors were bad, and that men and women are the same long enough to let the policies the ideology supports be effective.

The culture war shit is real and we are losing. It can’t be burn it all down because we dislike a little part, it has to be accept that incremental change is necessary. We should not cut off our nose to spite our face, but that’s what people who live in the echo chamber are doing.

I know they are fine, but there could be 6 ft of ice and I'd still be too scared to go out there!

Skis are also a plus for not falling through.

I’m left of Bernie, but seeing your posts every day makes me want to vote for Trump. I can understand when seeing totally obnoxious SJWs why people like Ron Desantis get elected, and why places like Ohio become strong holds for republicans. Liberals need to shut the fuck up once and awhile and let out policies speak for themselves.

Also I post Asshole comments like this regularly that get down voted here to hell, but I have what I’d imagine is across Reddit above average overall karma score so the idea that karma in any way impacts whether someone posts a retarded opinion or thought is just dumb.

You clearly have seen the skater and kiters out near the sandbar.

Yup, we're going to have rotten ice after this.(all kinds of varying thicknesses) you won't be able to trust measurements even a few steps away from the hole.

That involves Mods relinquishing their power and history has told us how well that go's when the ruling class is confronted.

Ah yes, the scientific unit of measurement we've all been missing out on

Well there are certain facts. Like 1 plus 2 equals 3. But I’m sure the future generations will have some way to dispute that even and call it Numberistic or something.

Reddit is much more efficient for that.

Great advice, thank you so much!

Thank you! I think I’m going to do just that. Where I am, this week is going to be crazy unseasonably warm. It’s hard to resist but you’re absolutely right

I've seen people fly on planes after planes have crashed.

I'm sure your tone absolutely helps when bringing your message forwards...Is this vermonts sub or a subreddit for karens?

Not very

So only the normal trolls get to comment on something?

Vilification of people with differing perspectives and the inability of many people to simply agree to disagree without being hateful is symptomatic of where the country is in its evolution.

I agree. And I have been hearing a version of that since I can remember. 1969 or so.

What are you talking about?!?