Why not both? Divide and conquer.

It's 50 something satellites all in a line

I don't understand the periodic light. Does it have lights that blink? If it was just reflecting sunlight it seems like it would a solid line.

Yeah, it’s all about the almighty dollar. Can’t wait till the pendulum swings back to better values and strong community for all.

Hedge funds, private equity, investment banks - why all the mystery? Rhetorical, I just wish government gave a single shit about anything other than their endless fundraising.

Some say hedge funds. Some in my area are empty, too. We need our communities back!

We got towns the police won't go. Idk man.

Vermont is a State of mind; full of nooks and crannies!

Life in a developed area can get old (culture-wise) in a decade or less; so you head up to Montreal. Life in the rural hinter parts is either savoring the peace-n-quiet of pastoral privacy, or letting the quiet slowly make you crazy with solitude and isolation.

Being rural without the benefits of extended network or family contributes to that. A church or two, the school, the general store; that's what ya got for social if not for tail-gate beers at the end of some dirt road leading into the woods; maybe near a swimming hole.

Paradise!

Because it's tough to make government efficient by nature when it comes to new telecom infrastructure, even if well-funded. It's an example of the many huge technological leaps throughout American history that were typically made by inventors, engineers, etc. on behalf of a given industry, rather than by state projects. (Of course, there are exceptions.) Telecommunications is no different, going all the way back to the first phone and telegraph lines. VT (and reddit's demographic generally) just often lean left, so the idea of private actors being inherently more effective at making these improvements doesn't ideologically sit well with many.

Here is my neighbor Nursitan Tuliagby. He is pain in my asshole. I get a window from glass, he must get a window from glass.

I see house burglar, I go help.

Exactly. I worked with Wayne (62 yr old victim) many years ago. He was an avid outdoorsman and good man who died doing exactly what he loved. He was a father, husband, brother to those who loved. A hard worker. Everyone is so fuckn perfect and never makes a mistake. Some get away with it, and some don't. I hope no one who is joking never loses someone because of a mistake. I agree with you. NOT a joking matter.

I love all the extensive analysis and hand-wringing about the Vermont housing crunch. Like we don’t all know it’s investors who hoard properties as investments.

Hey! I lived in CA for a couple years as a teen (Alameda County). Really enjoyed my time there.

I‘m fairly new to VT, but my answers:

1. The nature is the draw. Old Appalachian mountains covered in trees and springs and ponds. Few people to wreck it. First time I ever went hiking here I couldn’t shut up about how I didn’t see any litter, even in the creek.

2. Lake Willoughby is my favorite „unique nature thing.“. I recommend looking up some photos.

3. Maple cremees (soft serve), sugar on snow (you heat up the maple syrup to 235° and then drizzle it on snow and it becomes taffy-like in consistency), apple cider donuts…. People seem to come up with any excuse to put maple syrup in anything. It’s all amazing.

4. Sepoctemober.

5. Walk in the woods. Ride in the woods. Look at the stars.

6. Not many cities here. I enjoy Montpelier the most.

7. Tidbits…. The snowmobilers have a trail system (the VAST trail) that goes all over the state. I only wish horse people were that organized. There is also the Long Trail for hiking that goes up through the center-ish of the state. The state has a day called Green Up Day in May for which you get trash bags to go pick up litter. The state motto is „Freedom and Unity.“

every time a white Vermonter talks about how their family has been here for x generations somewhere an Abenaki person laughs to themselves

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> My father, and most of my 8 uncles, all left the state for jobs in their 20s. None of them wanted to stay on the dairy farm. "Too much work for too little money".

Thanks for your reply! I did Ag advocacy for about a decade (90's), mostly focused on feed costs, cull prices, finding labor, crop rotation, and a good chunk on succession and its prospects. in '99 I proposed doing a survey called 2020 - prospects of farming. Its a lot more than counting wheels:) I even suggested the Land Trust make allowances/exceptions to permit a co-housing plan in which those who farmed it lived rent-free, as it were, to address the succession issue. Not that it was a good idea, per say, so much as trying to think outside the box.

Kids leave the State since forever and its been a minute that your education taxes aren't making elsewhere more literate :) Fact is, for the rural parts, its boring AF; specially if not in a clique. We've done shit for supporting college because of it; tourism and second homes pays the bills (mostly) and keeps the trades in decent pay, so and raising (non-native) taxes is a lead balloon.

So instead we adapt to the new realities, which is what VSU is trying to do now due to lowering enrollments and higher costs. They're going Univ of Phoenix - Vermont Edition. Re-purposing libraries because mostly everyone doesn't go there for books. Cutting back sports because even the NCAA class is 3rd tier, few poor or minority students are going to turn pro and transpo costs alone are sky-high. VT doesn't need sports more than academic excellence, nor should it have to recruit from poor inner cities to boost enrollment. You'd be gobsmacked to know how many NVU students are 1st generation to get past HS.

Bet $5 will get you $8 closing Johnson w/in 3-5 years if not sooner. I don't envy those calling the shots, this sub is full of backlash and well-deserved calls for transparency. I know this bec wife is in academic support and I feel people's pain over uncertainty; but its the right (hard) call.

Encouraging teleworkers and knowledgeworkers is the right call, there should always be a livelihood in trades, in logging, in beef and hemp and like, if not in dairy. Dairy consolidation aside, my sis works an organic outfit (100ish head) near Poultney and they are getting by OK, but the parents are still in charge.

So, please don't think I'm complaining more than calling it as I see it. Most all commute 1hr to a job, outside of ChitCo the State is rural AF, Glover is no worse off for the hippies and Peter's circus, nor is MontP for the few still alive:)

Peace Out, bub!

PS I'm loving all the downvotes! It reminds me a bit of someone I knew of who while at Woodstock high school had the bumper sticker "Nuke the gay baby whales". It drove the teachers crazy and they tried to block him from having this sticker (apparently the teachers didn't really know that much about the 1st amendment...).

Neither were they scholars of the Greeks (“If someone succeeds in provoking you, realize that your mind is complicit in the provocation").

He prevailed in antagonizing them...

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Saw this guy off of our deck last week!

Yo, may I take this moment to advertise the subreddit "Serving Exile in Flatland" user flair?

They are the best

Signature VT foods/drinks are anything with maple syrup (maple cremees, aka soft serve, are definitely our signature dessert), craft beer and hard cider, cheese, chocolate, poutine (which we get from Canada), the Vermonter sandwich (ingredients vary, but generally something like turkey, cheddar, and apple slices) and a lot of farm-to-table stuff. If you're ever visiting, go to Yates Family Orchard in Hinesburg and get the Supremee, which is a fresh cider donut with maple cremee and caramel-drizzled apple pie filling on top. It's out of this world!!!

We don't really have any "cities" by CA standards - our biggest city is Burlington with 40,000 people. Much of the state is very very rural. But we are within a few hours' drive of Montreal and Boston, which are both awesome. A little farther away are Quebec City and NYC. Since we don't have a coastline, Maine and Cape Cod are popular summer beach destinations.

Most people here love winter because of skiing and other winter sports. I'm more of a summer person and think summers here are great, albeit short.

Nature: lots! It's a great place for hiking, skiing, sledding, snowshoeing, swimming, hunting, fishing, boating and more, depending on the season. Lake Champlain forms a lot of the western border and is really pretty. Nice views are everywhere, we're definitely spoiled in that regard. Mountains are plentiful, although not nearly as high as they are in CA.

Also, a few people are definitely pranking you, especially regarding our supposedly weird obsession with potatoes? Yeah, not really a thing. A lot of what you're asking is just stuff you could easily Google, so I get why some might think your question silly, but I always enjoy sharing.

I'm currently out of state living in a city temporarily for college, I can't wait to get back to the natural earth and overgrown forests in my home area.

Burlington VT is the most city like space in VT, it's nice to an extent but places like Elmore, Calais, Worcester, and Lyndonville are very pretty places.

That’s an interesting fact I never knew!! Thank you

PS My BLM yard sign is probably bigger than your BLM yard sign.

- Stay woke.

I grew up in NJ and moved to VT about 5 years ago.

I love the mountains, nature, and all of the seasons except for mud season. I love that winter still happens here in a way it doesn't in NJ anymore.

I came for skiing but I've fallen in love with Lake Champlain. I love boat, kayak and ice fishing. Sometimes it's actually a struggle to decide what I should do... skiing or fishing? I live in paradise and I'm super lucky. I'm starting to enjoy summer more but winter is still my favorite.

If you wanna see some of my adventures go on YouTube and search for VT2U I'm publising a new skiing video this week but my last few videos are about ice fishing for lake trout

tl;dr: Vermont sucks tell your friends... nothing to see here move along 😏