Recent comments in /f/vermont

Vermonter_Here t1_j8nvquz wrote

It literally is special, though. Vermont has the highest per-capita number of people attempting to purchase property of any state. Source.

Per the source, it isn't even close. We're 10 full percentage points higher than the runner-up (Oregon).

The housing crisis is impacting the entire country, and yet it is measurably impacting Vermont worse than any other state. Anecdotally, my wife and I experienced this first hand. We attempted to buy a house last year, having saved up a healthy sum for a down payment, and receiving full pre-approval for a loan that put most homes on the market in reach. Unfortunately, the very fact that we needed a loan was essentially disqualifying. Vermont's market is currently so over-saturated, that every single home received a cash offer, and the cash always won instead of financing.

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TastySnozzberry t1_j8nv50q wrote

The wheels of the government turn slowly. Private industry is and always will be quicker and more efficient due to lower levels of bureaucracy. The government, given all the lobbying and corruption, would go for the lowest bidder to set up the program which would significantly lower the quality of the product/service. Musk may be a megalomaniac billionaire, but is the government really any better with all the corruption and lobbying? Look at all the insider trading they do to get rich. Given all that I would rather rely on private industry and a megalomaniac billionaire.

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immutable_truth t1_j8ns21p wrote

It’s literally communist terminology…if you Google “ruling class” the first sentence is “in Marxist philosophy…”

I know people on Reddit throw it around like candy but don’t fault me for calling it what it is, and explaining it will be an instant turn-off for the majority of people.

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joeydokes t1_j8nrpbk wrote

Appreciate your kind words!

I don't know if its any different now than back in the 90's, but there is/was some degree of entrenchment at work.

In the case of Ag, it was those in position at the Farm Bureau, Coop extension and the State, whose focus was so narrow that they could not think outside the box. Granted, their constituency was probably the most anti-change, 'aint broke, don't fix' group to walk/work the earth. Understandably so, considering how little is actually in their perview of control.

Just pressing for things like crop rotation, low-till no-till, ... was a herculean task! So, advocates could only really push for what their audience was ready to hear.

These days, minds are much more open I suspect.

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cpujockey t1_j8nr4eb wrote

> I do get that many people like them, not criticizing your taste. Dense housing is the only feasible option I see for the future.

I see your point and I respect it. However, I think that dense housing really only works in burlington - that's where the majority of folks are anywho.

> In Vermont I’m not even sure what counts as suburbs, though. What’s a suburb of middlebury (wheee the author lives)? Weybridge?

well - north ave in burlington would be a good example. unless there is some definition of suburbs my highschool education is failing me.

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[deleted] t1_j8nqgu3 wrote

I am so grateful you took the time to write all of that out. Hopefully you will bring some awareness to how our farming industry / food security crisis stems from the same problems that are causing our housing crisis: Impossible to fix either one independently from the other. Good on you!

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joeydokes t1_j8nptz6 wrote

Can't speak to whether 'turning the other cheek' or just ranting is the only thing that's been done, or not. I do know that there's no lack of advocates trying to effect positive change(s), but its not possible to escape undeniable truths.

One being that there aren't too many solutions to fundamentally rural problems; which about 3/4's of the State is. Fortunately, our rural parts benefit (trickle-down) from tourism in ways that rural villes and hamlets in places from OH to VA .... don't. Those places now look like ghost towns.

We are a tourist state that attracts 30M people from Boston to Baltimore. Sure, we have a few industries, but even relaxing regs would not make Vermont competitive with elsewhere. We need industry that we can build from the ground up.

We do K-12 OK, but >50% kids don't stay past HS; because growing up rural can be boring and there's too little opportunity. So our edu taxes make places elsewhere more literate. We're graying out, and the new blood replacing it is bringing in new values and new money; making life even more expensive.

I don't have any solutions, but know any proposed will be a tough pill to swallow and invite the inevitable backlash, no different than what's happening with the VSC/VSU transition.

What I do know, for sure, is that fixing wealth inequality, employer tied for-profit healthcare, .... the big killers of our social safety net .... would go a long way to remedying many of the issues we're facing.

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idreamofchickpea t1_j8npcbt wrote

Apartments are not just for lower income lol. Don’t get me wrong no one should be too poor for adequate housing but that’s a different consideration. Not that middle class people are doing so well with housing either.

Suburbs are inefficient and unsustainable. I do get that many people like them, not criticizing your taste. Dense housing is the only feasible option I see for the future.

In Vermont I’m not even sure what counts as suburbs, though. What’s a suburb of middlebury (wheee the author lives)? Weybridge?

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