Probably a pain in the arse in some situations, but it makes sense in context.

Thanks. I’ll check them out.

Cool. Thanks

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I believe having a space for female identifying individuals is important. But I don’t believe our definitions of “female” are the same.

There is a Vermont politics sub, keep these posts there. Why are you endlessly spamming every Vermont sub??

Good those are the correct definitions under the current biological understanding. But what that doesn’t say is that these individuals present with any specific appearance or behavioral attributes attributed to either sex. The reason for that is because within physical development there are a whole host of processes that must occur for the complete differentiation from female to male sex characteristics. With any of these steps disrupted you may have an individual that is phenotypically presenting different then what raw genetics may suggest. Eliciting the point that sex determination isn’t binary on a developmental basis at the biological level. This is confounded with the psychological development of a human beings having both biological and environmental roots. We just established that genetics and physiological states can result in a whole host of variability in what can phenotypically present as “male” or “female”, when that is combined with the psychosocial aspects of “male” and “female” gender roles in today’s society you are left with a spectra of behavior prescribe and ascribed by both biology and environment. Within this spectra people may see and internalize patterns they see as a gender binary but this is a generalization and doesn’t fully apply to the entirety of the population. So when you say “male and female” it is predicated on your own internal understanding of this topic which isn’t necessarily complete.

Poor people love to blame the upper middle class and lower upper class, when it's really the billionaire investor class that is doing this shit.

40 years ago dentists from Boston were also buying summer homes in Vermont but they could typically afford one per family. The billionaire investor class buys homes to speculate in the hundreds/thousands.

Ding ding ding.

People love to blame rich foreigners buying a vacation house, or an upper middle class Bostonian buying a single summer home, but the real culprit are billion dollar financial firms buying hundreds, if not thousands of houses for speculation.

Dr. Jane Everywoman from Boston who makes $200k a year as a pediatrician isn't the enemy.

My step-brother got married in Rhode Island on his in-laws property. The tents they put up had to have exit signs on them, even though the walls were only down on one side. I thought it was the strangest thing until I remembered that fire and assumed they made code incredibly rigorous after that.

Burlington definitely has suburbs: Colchester, Winooski, Shelburne, Charlotte, Williston, etc.

Burlington needs to densify and add more mid-rise buildings to accomodate working class people.

Yes, of course. We should actually kill all cis women. This is the goal of the trans after all.

Get real dude, no one is trying to get rid of women’s spaces. You’re making up a bogey man and pushing it like it’s fact. There’s no substance to your arguments, just “oh no there’s men in the girls locker rooms!”. Do you support trans boys in women’s spaces? Do you support trans boys in women’s sports? Do you expect a young trans girl to participate in male sports? Do you actually care about children or just some of them when it’s convenient?

I’m done responding to this shit, it’s already been a huge waste of time lmao.

Ok. Do you believe there are any circumstances where a female only space is justified?

Ok do you support the abolition of female only spaces?

You aren't even making a good faith effort to engage. You can look up the definitions yourself if you don't know.

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring. "male children"

He’s my husband lol

Most local news these days from BFP seems to be articles like "What's being built in Williston?"

And I’m responding to your question with the reality that what you asked isn’t a black or white question as you have it framed or desire an answer for. And if you think it’s a black or white question then you are coming from a place of ignorance not bigotry. I work under the idea that most people have good intentions but are misguided by a lack of edification on a topic and that if presented with the information they can make a proper logical conclusion.

“The abolition of female only spaces”

Lmao this is the problem and yet you fail to see how fucking shit this take is. You’ve already made up your mind and continue to repeat the same ignorant points.

Please, find some more threads to rehash the same trash arguments and receive the same responses. You’ve pushed this shit and the “sanctity of women’s sports” nonstop on this account, and when you don’t get support you just repeat it somewhere else. What a waste of fucking time. This shit is no different than the white dude explaining racism or the man explaining why women don’t face real issues. Have fun wasting your time, this is pathetic.

What is the biological definition of those two words?

lmao you didn't even make any attempt to respond to a legitimate question that you invited.

Don't say "I'm happy to help if you want!" when you don't mean it at all.

If someone feels there are circumstances where male/female exclusive spaces have value, is that an inherently bigoted position?

And yes, I mean male and female. I know the definitions of words I use.

> This “I’m just trying to have a conversation” bullshit is exhausting. GLHF

Your previous comment was just "lol keep playing the victim" and you literally do not respond to any point I made. Hypocritical.

You are the one who has tried to insult in literally every single comment you made. My point is that people have real concerns about the abolition of female only spaces and should be able to have a dicussion without people like you just attacking them.

> Women's leagues do exist, we don't need you to advocate for them.

The entire premise of the discussion is that people want to open up women's leagues for males.

>but don't seem to be concerned about trans men competing

Because in general people who are biologically female will not be competitive in a mens league. Also if they are on T that is a banned substance.

> don't think that most of them would be worried about trans athletes impeding their ability to make a career

I'm in a running club and train with some very competitive women. I think that is insane to believe that someone who is running 60 miles a week or more just wouldn't mind losing their spot. The idea that someone could train for 6 months for a race and wouldn't mind losing that spot to an athlete with a bio male body is not reasonable.

I also race skimo, where there is a strong mtf trans athlete competing for a spot on next year's national team. She is a great athlete but if she gets in the top 3 for the specific division, that means a female athlete who competed will not get the spot.

>If you really truly do care, then start advocating for...

I'm interested in sports. It is ok to talk about issues in sports even though there are more pressing issues in the world.

Like all newspapers everywhere, you get what you pay for. And we all know it ain't like it used to be when it comes to people consuming newspapers. I mean how many here pay for a daily newspaper?

But as mentioned elsewhere here, this story is relevant when it comes to fire safety regardless of jurisdiction.

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