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Kixeliz t1_j9k93rr wrote

With this context? I disagree.

> He defended his opposition to the banner out of concern for “possible graffiti, destruction and division.” His preference for an inclusive, “all lives matter” type of message was meant to prevent conflict and division. He hinted that “unrest was the goal” of those advocating for the BLM banner, and added “All I can say is that unrest was not caused by me.”

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WorkingMinimum t1_j9k8h7k wrote

Can you show the quote where he said the force should be segregated? All I’ve seen so far is that he thinks black officers are potentially more appropriate to send when addressing incidents in the black community. He didn’t use any sort of absolute language as far as I can tell, he didn’t suggest criminality is a black only problem… i think you’ve got a hate boner for the guy and maybe it’s deserve for other reasons, but the direct quotes in the article have me wondering what exactly he did wrong, because all the bad stuff is inferred by the reporter and rage bait junkies

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lavransson OP t1_j9k8anm wrote

Thank you, I did consider that but what I'm seeing is that "emergency" requests require planned international travel, and still have a 72-hour turn around. Since this is for a domestic flight, I didn't think she would qualify. But perhaps we can do the Canadian hotel reservation like you said. Thanks for the tip!

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Kixeliz t1_j9k7wrl wrote

Why would I need to picture it? These people exist and have given their thoughts publicly on police reform lots and lots of times. Can't remember any of them suggesting segregated police, though. Weird. Maybe what he was saying isn't at all an appropriate solution as creative as he thinks it is?

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BudsKind802 t1_j9k7v1x wrote

I'm not sure about the DMV, but you could consider trying for an Urgent appointment at the Passport Center in St. Albans. They can process and have a passport set up same day, but getting an appointment tomorrow or Friday could be difficult.

Since it's for international travel, you'll need to show that you plan on going at least to Canada for a night. You can find a hotel reservation that's cancelable after the appointment to have that proof.

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WorkingMinimum t1_j9k7l6g wrote

Again, if I imagine someone saying the exact same words but looking different than a crusty old white guy, it tracks.

You can’t picture Lori Lightfoot or Stacy Abramssaying “black cops may be more in touch with black communities, and may therefore be able to de-escalate situations more easily”?

The only problem with what he said is the context of his race, and that he didn’t tack on supporting an initiative to hire more black police to decrease the demographic disparity on the force.

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Kixeliz t1_j9k6mz0 wrote

It was ignorant, he was told it was ignorant and he responded:

> “I’m sorry that you think the fact that my wife and I were raised in this area and taught by our families that you should treat everyone equally no matter who they are makes us racist and ignorant,” Viens said.

Not someone I'd want on my local governing board, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

Edit: and this wasn't his first time playing the "all lives matter" angle either, as this post shows.

> Let’s go back to July of 2020, less than two months after the murder of George Floyd. The Waterbury Area Anti-Racism Committee asked the selectboard for permission to hang a racial justice banner in a high-visibility space usually devoted to community event announcements. Approval was granted without the support of Chris Viens. His explanation:

> “I don’t want people out there to be offended by feeling that they’re not included in this issue. I’m talking about Asian people or people of other ethnicities.”

At some point he loses the benefit of the doubt.

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TheTowerBard t1_j9k6bqk wrote

Reply to comment by Saguache in No USPS deliveries for a week by rchhe

It would be cool, but the issues with DeJoy have been well known for a long time now and everyone is willfully ignoring it. MLK explained the dangers of moderates quite well in his Letter From Birmingham Jail. We need to stop expecting them to be something they are not and demand better.

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rchhe OP t1_j9k4g7q wrote

Thank you. They said that a "case worker" will get back to me. They are aware of the issues and I am not the only one who called. I sympathize with everybody working at the post office- but this is not sustainable as mail is essential to our livelihoods. We need a solution.

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Kixeliz t1_j9k49ns wrote

This is what he said:

> In October, Viens made the suggestion for “segregated police” during a candidate forum aired on WDEV. At the time he was running for a seat in the Vermont House of Representatives, a race he would lose.

> He said that instead of calling to defund the police, the state should hire more officers of color and dispatch them to incidents involving minorities.

> In a subsequent interview with Seven Days, Viens said he was seeking a constructive solution to the charges of systemic racism in law enforcement that are driving the Black Lives Matter movement by eliminating conflicts between white police officers and citizens of color.

> He suggested Black police officers might be “more in tune with the disparities and the challenges that Black people have” and therefore “may be able to defuse the problem easier.”

That you think an ally would make this same suggestion is the problem. No ally thinks "send black cops to deal with black criminals" is a reasonable response to calls for police reform. See: Memphis. The only real problem is that some in lily white Vermont think he had a point, just phrased it poorly. It's ignorance at best and definitely not what you want to hear from a community leader.

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amoebashephard t1_j9k48zk wrote

Reply to food by [deleted]

The queen city oddfellows lodge runs a food shelf Saturday and Sunday, 9-11a

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