Just go somewhere else, if you’re outside of Burlington area be prepared to get stared at and be judged by older folks.

It’s not some fairyland where gay people are openly accepted. Many people will try to paint it that way but reality is harsh, and unfortunately many will not like your lifestyle and choices in more rural Vermont.

If you buy a house now you will be trapped with record high interest rates and a market looming on collapse/correction. In three years of purchasing my home it went from 140k to 260k. Even if you get a home for an affordable rate you’ll probably be screwed out of work.

Do yourself a favor and move to California or Massachusetts and get a job there. You’ll be far better off and more likely then not accepted more than you would be up here.

Back in the early days of the lockdown they went on social media blast trashing other restaurant owners and anyone who had any negative comments regarding their food. Like full on bat shit crazy. I get the defensiveness to some degree, but when you verbally assassinate another business because “your” wings are better than “their” wings…

I guess it sounds like friendly competition now that I’ve typed it out, but Ellen went so nasty. And then nastier when people called her out on her behavior rather than admitting she was inappropriate.

It’s not terrible, there are just so many better options that I’d rather support with limited dining out budget.

We are a gay married couple raising our kids near Montpelier but in a rural enough setting to have some land, horses, chickens. It’s been great from an acceptance standpoint but challenging from a community standpoint. Not many other families with same sex parents. Almost our entire community is made of up straight people which can be a bummer even though they’re lovely people. It’s a wonderful place to raise kids but we lack diversity in almost every way and yes, it’s expensive.

I've found Vermont to be very accepting of gays and lesbians. We had our "Take Back Vermont" moment. Some of the more rural in flavor are still mumbling about that, but they're the minority. I suspect you and your kids would be very happy here. Part of the reason housing is so expensive, so I've read, is that Vermont has turned into a haven for those like you. Edit: There was initially a considerably influx from suburbanites fleeing Covid. There's no other state I'd want to live in. It's here or northern Europe for me.

Mainly, we wear day glow orange hats and the like. I fully support hunting and hunters. I invite them to hunt on my back forty, which is overpopulated with tick carrying deer. For my wife, wearing day glow orange has turned into somewhat of a Vermont fashion statement...

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Wondering the same! I’ve been having cramps gas and bloating for like 3 days. Can’t think of any other reason but a stomach bug but everyone is saying vomiting & diarrhea are more common and I have neither of those!

I see your point, just disagree I guess. 38% of folks who see a marriage counselor are divorced in 4 years so the success rate is better than 50%, if you goal is to avoid divorce. There are no readily available stats about how many people are happier after. I think the need for a marriage counselor shows the person in not right for you and I think everyone deserves someone who is a match for them rather that just “we can make it work”.

No harm trying to learn new communication skills before giving up though. Geez.

I don’t fault you for it, but it’s a market distortion and that power might not be coming from somewhere clean during peak winter demand.

went to college with a lot of people from MA and southern NH. this is true.

Not at all. I think the idea that a third party needs to facilitate a good relationship means it is not a good relationship. I think a lot of people rush into marriage as an institution due to social pressure and I think that if more people would focus on finding someone who is more compatible as a human being rather that someone with the same short term goals (ie marriage as a goal) the divorce rate would go down and people would generally have longer more fulfilling lives and relationships.

How many people do you know who see marriage as a goal rather than finding true love as a goal.

Sunset drive is not a movie theater. You are misunderstanding what I said. I love drive-ins

Sounds like you have some personal issues around marriage that you need to unpack….or maybe are starting to unpack here?

Ah, the good old days!

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Kinda off topic and I apologize.

I never understood people who run into marriage. I’ve known women who married a resume then the husbands are surprised they sleep around and women who married their mentor figure and wonder why they feel like someone is alway telling them what to do.

If you are in a marriage and you and your partner can’t communicate without a third party well enough to work shit out, that person may not be an ideal life partner. Do you really want to go through your adult life with a good enough person. You deserve better. If you haven’t found that person keep looking and if you can never find that person, the problem was probably you to start with.

Life is too short to waste any of it on bad relationships.

With that said, sorry you are having a shitty time, I don’t know any therapists in the UV, but I wish you the best of luck.

Yes. Everyone here is well aquatinted with where they can hunt. But ultimately for me, while I was on 70 acres, I could hear the gunfire elsewhere and for me alone it was a problem. I’m now in a condo but have a protected 95 acre public back yard. With trails and loads of wildlife. Heaven for me.

ETA My horses and dogs were also freaked out by the gunfire, so not just me. I absolutely love Vermont but for this one thing, and the happy median I found was where I am now.

I'll have to try that, thanks.

Cafe HOT is amazing and OMG Grey Jay. I think maybe they're afraid of the crime if they'll go anywhere in the county but Burlington.

Burlington Bagel is paying $25 now. Anything is possible.

Gotta lease 2 giant luxury SUVs and have 100 acres.

I'm in Burlington and you would be a-ok. I've got 2 kids at the public HS in Burlington and the kids and parents are whatever they are and it's just fine. Ive seen a number of gay couples at school events. The head of the Burlington School District (I think? Someone high up in the system) sent a lovely email about transgender rights the other day and they've had these education/listening events around lgbtq issues. So it's not just "nobody cares do whatever" they make a real effort to be inclusive and kind and that extends to the kids.

Oh that's good to know; we'll have to try it.

thanks! yeah I'm willing to accept that housing may be difficult to find. at least maybe I would save on homeowner's insurance. it's sky-high in Florida right now.