Source?

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I board. I've got a Ride Highlife freestyle deck. Pretty stiff but pops.

> 15yrs ago after renting a 2 bedroom apartment for $1000/month.

> Our home would now sell for double what we paid for it

> and that EXACT same apartment now goes for $2000/month

What’s the mind boggling part? If house values have doubled I would think rent having doubled makes perfect sense.

"been around" meaning?

>Atlanta’s city council solicited public comment on the facility in September of [2021], and received more than seventeen hours of remarks—including a few minutes from Joe Santifer. “I said the location isn’t congruent with the neighborhood,” he told me. “It’s outsized for the number of officers that Atlanta has, and the process has been rushed.” Santifer said that he’d also listened to most of the other remarks, which were recorded, and that “about seventy per cent” were opposed to the development. (A crowdsourced tally reached the same conclusion.)

just to be clear, are you saying the people being discussed here don't exist, or aren't from atlanta?

edit: oh, i see.

If you have a touring setup, Cardigan and Ascutney should both be pretty solid this week and are close by.

Because I’ve been around the world of public safety and I have taken the time to understand the history and structure of American policing and the myriad agencies involved, and I have also studied how it works in the rest of the world. Your average ACAB Redditor has not.

Really? You don’t think, that I think, that that is a problem? It’s not that I don’t think it is a problem. It’s that you all have no fucking clue what to do about it. Your comment is exactly the kind of DAPL-esque hyperbole I’m talking about.

I think I understand why people have the assumption then that this is an escalation of police force and presence. I get the brushback you're giving, but it really doesn't seem hyperbolic, honestly.

If I was personally trying to create some kind of 'ah, but there's more to it' argument, I would point to the fact that they've already stated the 'city' will be used to train emergency services like the fire department in navigating and quickly putting out fires in an urban environment, as well as EMT services with things such as water rescue.

Having said THAT, none of this discounts the very real argument of cutting down 85 acres of forest in Atlanta to accommodate the project, as well as that none of what I just said directly addresses the fear that this space would also be used to train police in various tactics that many would suggest treat civilians as potential threats at best and operators at worst. There's plenty of argument there as well given Atlanta PD's rather varied history with dealing with the local population.

Of the two, I guess I'd probably see the argument of how that 90 million dollars could be better spent directly on training instead of a cool new facility, that arguably sure, has a lot of bells and whistles to it. But I have a feeling this isn't where our disagreement lies. To each his own.

Very telling that you don't think the problem is the police getting away with rape, murder, torture, extortion, intimidation, and other breeches of the public trust. Millions of dollars of public money to raze an irreplaceable natural wonder and train an army of psychopath thugs. Who cares what number of alphabet soup agencies would use this facility? That's an unimportant nit picking detail your using to try to derail the actual conversation here.

Wtf are you talking about lmao

As someone from Atlanta, this seems to be opposed by everyone except people actually from Atlanta. Please mind your own business.

i'm guessing the implication here is that you have a lot of knowledge about “militarization of police”—would you mind sharing how?

Is this project the smartest use of this land? Probably not.

Is it designed to train police in “military tactics”? I’m not sure, I haven’t found any sources yet that confirm that.

Do most people who talk about the “militarization of police” have very little knowledge of the subject? Definitely.

It sounds a lot like DAPL in that it has become a lightning rod for people’s justified-but-ill-informed outrage and thus the breathlessly hyperbolic claims start to fly.

Thank you for that glimpse back into history. I feel bad in retrospect, for having simply gone with 'conventional wisdom', if there's even a chance that I've simply repeated a rumor.

The bigger picture being what?

Is it the assumption that people can't be upset about the demolition of a forest to build a fake city to train police in military tactics? Or more so that you feel as though their outrage is hyperbolic because they're reading into something here that you would assert isn't actually the reality of the situation? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth friend, I'm honestly curious.

If I'm on the mark, I suppose then friend, when you ask about the bigger picture, a lot of the people might see that 'bigger picture' as being the militarization of the police, which they take issue with.

I did. It’s DAPL all over again

Look at the actual picture that is happening.

When I was in high school we played them in football and called them Fellows Balls. I may or may not mutter that everytime I pass that exit

The fries themself were always so perfectly cooked.

See, this is the problem, people know that they don’t like the police but they don’t know enough about how policing works to fix it. You can’t tell one police agency from another

Look at the bigger picture

I mean police have already murdered an un-armed protester....

Why?