So, you go up Snowflake and down Sprig O Pine… to end up at the wrong lift (Mid Mt)? To do it again you walk over to Snowflake?

Easier to go up Mid Mt and down Bear Run because the trail ends at your lift?

(I see Bear Run but not Deer Run but the only trail map I can find is fuzzy when I zoom in to read the words.)

No. Just a normal house. 1k a month prop taxes plus a lot of income tax. Seems like this is normal. Higher in Burlington. I can’t imagine the really expensive houses that may 20+k a year property taxes. In Florida I paid 300 a month property tax. Homesteading in Florida reduces the taxable value of your house by up to 50k. In VT it’s just work .1%.

But this goes to the argument that investment properties should pay significant higher property taxes if almost all the town revenue comes from property.

These kinds of rankings are crap. If their assumptions about what is important were accidentally true, and their statistics were more than lazy slop, their conclusions would still only apply to about three people, none of them you.

Oh goodness… I have this framed across from my desk and stare at it every day wondering… at least I’m not alone…

Uhh do you own a multi million dollar property or something? Thats like. Not something most people in vt are paying

If you are actually paying that. You are very wealthy. And imo should probably be paying even more than that.

That is scary...

I am not that old and not retired but have some old-people style health issues. It's really not so bad. Once you have a referral to a specialist the wait isn't so bad especially if it's more of a big-deal health thing. The docs are especially responsive via messaging as well. I'm in Burlington which might make it a bit easier.

Yeah as a vermonter I agree. We need to grow our housing stock and increase industry beyond just tourism. But I dont really think we need to grow infinitely. I am fine being a small state.

There are studies projecting that many vt ski resorts will cease to operate by 2050 due to a lack of snow.

So there’s that

“Must be nice” dude we all have the same 24 hours in a day. Pitter patter.

You can't build your way out of an investor frenzy though

You need to ban airbnbs AND build

Bear Run and Sprig of Pine are the next steps past the rope tow, both consistent pitch and always groomed. Snowflake Bentley next probably. Avoid Deer Run, it's just a long traverse to a narrow pitch straight downhill. Very stupid trail.

Once you head up top Sherman's Pass is the way down but I actually suggest ducking off right above the big switchback onto Swing and making your way down bearing right towards the Wilderness liftline. It avoids both all the people coming off the black trails on upper mountain and the steeper face at the bottom of Sherman's. If you're there tomorrow it will be groomed the whole way down back to the main base.

I think people forget that Vermont isn't some large metropolitan area. It's fringe society.

Stuff like this can only be sustained in the manner in which it's going to be used.

SF is hilly and warm. VT is mountainous and those mountains get coated in ice. Not the same at all.

It could be an older trail map. The artist most likely doesn't want to infringe in "stowe's" (vail) copyright. But in the print you can definitely track both toll road and nose dive.

Income tax (top vt bracket) and high property tax (2.1 vs .9). I have a pretty high income.

I could include gas and power (.09 FPL vs .18 GMP).

Home owners and car insurance is lower in VT.

VT is beautiful. My wife is from here and wanted to move back to raise our kids. But the cost is felt every day. And it’s not like the roads are better, or the daycare is cheaper. It’s just the population is really low (probably a good thing) and the costs are fixed. Less people to pay all the bills.

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that’s like, your opinion, man

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Affordability is only one factor that they looked at. VT is generally more affordable than MA. They also looked at quality of life and healthcare. Healthcare is definitely better in MA and depending on the metrics they use quality of life may be as well.

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MA and CA have more social programs than VT.

Agree, Mansfield, but the trails aren't right.