Recent comments in /f/vermont

Jazzhandsfolkfeet t1_jdccrzl wrote

Advanced degree holder here with concentrations in finance and economics. What you are presenting is a singular stat with no context or controlling for variables. You need to take a course on statistics and understand the difference between correlation and causation.

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blackdogpepper t1_jdcc47n wrote

In my opinion I don’t think police have much of an impact on crime. Sure, the fact that you might get arrested might deter some criminals. But by and large people who commit crimes do so out of desperation because they are out of options and I don’t mean to suggest you have to murder someone to feed your family but the I would say most murders probably have a long history of smaller crimes leading to up to murder. Having good jobs, social programs, and housing for the population will keep crime rates down.

I live in pretty heavily populated area with a high cost of living. Joblessness is near zero and there is little to no crime considering the population. My doors are unlocked and keys left in the ignition of my truck.

My point is if people have opportunity to provide for themselves they would choose that over crime 9 out of 10 times. So the message of defund the police was clouded, all people want was more money spent on community programs instead of out fitting militarized police forces to keep the poors in line.

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merikus t1_jdcb1ab wrote

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timberwolf0122 t1_jdcaviq wrote

Defend the police in general (like from a national stand point) yes, absolutely. However we need to do all the steps, ie if we take funds from the police then they need to go to other services and the amount cut needs to be worked out carefully.

Define the police never meant “boom, budget cut” and that’s it.

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Average-RedditUser1 t1_jdcaoya wrote

It blows my mind how many people on here saying, the homicide rate increase, had nothing to do with defunding the police. That’s just like if people suddenly started becoming deathly Ill, after the FDA allowed a new ingredient to be added into our foods, and after seeing all the adverse, deathly reactions, they decide to remove said ingredient. After a while, no one’s becoming sick, and all returns to normal. Then saying something along the lines of, “ The deadly ingredient had nothing to do with people becoming insanely sick, people were already sick before with the food they were eating”.

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Bologna1127 t1_jdc9urb wrote

Nationally, crime has decreased over those decades you mention. However, murders have increased (nationally) since the beginning of the Covid pandemic.

Since these trends also hold in Burlington, I’m inclined to believe “defunding the police” wasn’t as involved as you seem to suggest.

As another commenter suggested, you might find better luck attempting to foster a discussion instead of starting a fight: “I’m concerned about the number of homicides in Burlington over [time period you didn’t include]. This is a notable increase compared to previous years. Is there evidence that the “defund the police” movement caused this?”

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Average-RedditUser1 t1_jdc8x9q wrote

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Wesley__Willis t1_jdc8q0i wrote

Who got defunded? Their budget was still nearly $20 million dollars annually. Teachers and other municipal workers are forever told to do more with less, so why wasn’t that good enough for police?

Irrespective, I’d double their their budget if most of that money went to continuing education/training and they gave up qualified immunity.

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