Recent comments in /f/vermont

swarm32 t1_jea1dgh wrote

With the push for electrification of everything ( heating, cooling, vehicles) etc., how about we incentivize the plentiful production of clean/zero carbon power ( solar, wind, hydro, nuclear) instead of going out of our way to penalizing the end residential users who are being pushed to electrify?

If clean electricity is in reliable, plentiful and inexpensive supply, then people will find it a lot more compelling to drop their 30yr old oil furnace as a primary heat source.

How about providing incentives ( carrot ) for landlords to upgrade their systems and levy penalties (stick) for not using systems below a certain efficiency level after say 5-10 years?

Or more direct grants for rural and poor families to upgrade the insulation and systems in their houses instead of indirect rebates that they may not be able to front the initial cost of?

There’s a hundred ways out of the problem, but increasing electricity rates even more will stall a lot of other progress being made.

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Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_je9r56a wrote

> We don’t even have the infrastructure or resources in place for that yet

We are with GMP and if it even looks like it might get windy we could lose power. The infrastructure and capacity of the substation here is maxed so much so that they offer extra incentives for having solar along the line here. How on earth they think they can manage all these heat pumps and ev's is beyond me.

I remember just a few weeks ago the generators down in mass wrote a letter to the leg about just this and said there was no way they could keep up with the proposed mandates to move things to electric.

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HeadPen5724 t1_je9qdt3 wrote

I’m not sure of the point, our electricity is almost 100% renewable. Our electricity usage isn’t contributing to the climate change and a usage fee would harm low income VTers.

The EIA shows 46% coming from hydro and 0% from nuclear. BLS seems to be using some dated and no longer accurate information. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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JoeKnotbush t1_je9pm9q wrote

Only about 1/4 of our electricity comes from Hydro Quebec. And another 12% from other hydro resources, 19% nuclear and about 10% each from solar, wind and biomass, the rest is from the mix of sources tied to the New England power grid. Listen to the BLS episode. I was enlightened and not trying to argue but I was of the same mindset and have a better understanding from learning more about it.

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Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_je9pi20 wrote

> industry is the real culprit.

Ya I think of this everytime I have my septic tank pumped and get the add on fee for saving Lake Champlain. Way over here on the other side of the state. The shit even gets spread on a field in NH not VT. It's as if we are governed by morons. Anyone can pop up sat and aerial photos and see where the runoff comes from.

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Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_je9olkg wrote

Economics 101. Sliding scale for some means the rest will have to pick up the tab. You can argue about the fairness of it all but the fact remains someone will have to make up for the loss. Most likely larger families like mine that use a fair amount of power. That's what happens when you have five kids. And trust me there ain't no stinking way the power co's will eat it either.

Edit: Also of note the "sliding scale" he speaks of is not the typical one where you pay based on ability it's just on use lower the use lower the rate higher the use higher the rate. I can see the guys down at my local garage loving this with the compressor and welders running all day. Just another boondoggle.

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HeadPen5724 t1_je9of21 wrote

Replacing heating and transportation with electricity is a long term issue. We don’t even have the infrastructure or resources in place for that yet. On top of that, many VTers do not have the resources to convert to electric vehicles and their inefficient homes will use more electricity and they’ll pay more if we use some usage scale to determine rates. This will hurt the poor and do little to nothing to address climate change.

By the time we are converted to electricity we won’t even be using the same technology to generate power.

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