He didn’t rape anyone. Words have meaning and they matter.

No, ad revenue is 8 minutes. Just though it was odd it ended at exactly 10. But sure pop off.

Edit: Looks like it used to be 10 minutes though. No idea if she knew that or not. Maybe it was some trial for video editing software or something. Who knows, just odd.

https://techpostplus.com/youtube-video-minimum-length-monetize/

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The top multiple posts on the channel 5 sub are currently a stickied post telling people to cancel their channel 5 patreon, news about Tim and Eric cutting ties with him because of this, and this video. It’s an active cancellation. He’s losing his career right as he finally made it. If people aren’t willing to accept an apology and multiple actions being taken on his part to fix his behavior, then you’re just trying to cancel him…

So cancel culture is OP putting apology in quotes? I'd agree it's an unnecessary way to frame it, but not sure why it's a dead giveaway that cancel culture exists. And if you look at the whole response to the controversy as "cancel culture", then that's just dumb. I'm a huge fan of Channel 5 and Andrew, but this shit is fucked up, and an apology is so far from absolving him here. Especially when it was undoubtedly a planned PR move, I do think it was genuine, but it's still very much based around saving his career. I would just call this "dealing with the consequences", not cancel culture.

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Weird how this video is pretty much exactly 10 minutes.

Pretty crappy situation. I believe that his his apology was sincere but there are definitely elements of self preservation in it.

I can also understand her not wanting to believe it is a sincere apology because of her past trauma.

I don’t really know what people expect or want to come from these situations that happen under the scrutiny of the very public opinion.

It’s really a lose - lose.

woosh indeed. I see so many sincere posts like this that I can't tell parody from reality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkshake_Duck

Pretty sure this commenter is making fun of this girls video. /woosh

I think this whole scenario falls in an area that generationally is being worked through and improved as time passes. I'm 30 years old and Andrew is 25 so not too far off. We grew up being fed that you have to chase girls and try to get them to sleep with you (James Bond, Johnny Bravo, hell there are moments in Friends / Seinfeld where protagonists are told "no" initially and keep trying/begging until they are given consent).

He was drunk, Dana and the other girl admitted they gave consent after he continued trying. It's skeevy but I don't think it's something he should be cancelled over. A very close female friend (also 30) told me my senior year of college "the first no doesn't mean no. It means kiss the neck, work the n*pples, and ask again." Her words, not mine. Just an example of the kind of consent culture being perpetuated in the 90's/early 000's.

I think the topic of consent is thankfully being discussed much more broadly than it was when Andrew/myself were growing up. The core message of, "Anything less than an enthusiastic yes is not consent," was never taught to us, and certainly not engrained in us by US society/pop culture. Andrew's apology and the actions he's taking seem heartfelt. I don't think he thinks he's lying... and he is not being accused of rape. They were all drunk and eventually gave consent. The girls regretted it, Andrew blew up, and here we are.

Totally agree. He even said he was going to step back from his career for a while and go to AA and make actual changes. What more do people actually want? He didn’t do anything illegal, so obviously no jail. He’s giving up time and money at a critical time in his career now to try to better himself over this. Like you said the only thing more is to devote oneself to the cloth or become a hermit or something and just give everything up forever. It’s a ridiculous idea.

Imo legally speaking he probably shouldn’t have even given him an apology since it probably gives her grounds to sue civilly. He did more than he probably should have in an attempt to do the right thing.

absoultely nothing of substance

People swear there’s no such thing as cancel culture but idk what else you can call this.

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Lol, troll level response.

nice self-report

I think it was pretty clear that statement did not mean "I always take the first no for an answer". He obviously pressured and coerced these girls into some kind of perceived consent, which is the main issue and debatable if it should be considered consent at all, but he was clearly trying to save face with a technicality by saying "I never actually raped someone when they said no, I just made them say yes against their will".

I..... will......

I believe what she's saying. Wouldn't be the first time someone who's become insanely popular had skeletons in their closet.

I did watch the video and she also used air quotes when she said apology.

It's understandable that she doesn't want to accept his apology but she can't even articulate why. She says she believes everyone can be rehabilitated and change for the better but that she doesn't consider his video an apology when acknowledging how he normalized this behavior and getting help was the crux of his apology.

Like I said, judging by what she said in this video it seems like to her the only justice would be him saying "I am going to disappear forever, live a miserable life, and give all my money in perpetuity to the victims"

Not to discredit your views, but you're saying that if anyone disagrees with you, they are rapists. That is the death of conversation and understanding. Vilifying people who have a different opinion than you means you are not likely to have a change in perspective, not allowing you to really grow and learn.