You asked if "cancel culture" was putting "apology" in quotes. So they actually listed the things that happened. This goal post moving that's very popular in discussions like this feels so eerily similar to the narcissist's prayer:

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

What is the appropriate goal for a person who did something fucked up? For them to become better? Or for them to hurt? Sometimes hurt can be a helpful path to betterment, but the idea that it's a necessary requirement is deeply weird, bordering on sadistic.

I've seen a lot shitty people become better without being globally shamed to the brink of suicide. It's truly sad that online mobbing is so normalized that an entire generation sees it as the natural "consequence". There are other, better options.

Person agrees to have sex on the condition there is a condom. Said condom is removed mid sex without the other person knowing. Because sex without a condom was not consented to, removing the condom removes the consent. Sex without consent = rape. It also dramatically increases the risk of pregnancy and/or disease transmission.

>e obviously pressured and coerced these girls

He pressured them. Did he coerce them? I keep seeing this term being used. To coerce is to persuade using force or threats. Did that happen?

He admitted to doing it in his apology? Also there is a ton of people on death row on eye witnesses accounts with no other evidence. That is also he said she said.

“I think for a long time, I was behaving in a way that I actually thought was normal. I thought that, you know, going home from the bar alone made you a loser. I thought that persistence was a form of flattery. And I thought that you know, if at first somebody was reluctant, you know, they’re playing hard to get just try harder,” he said. “And if you think someone’s feeling you, you know, make a physical advance and see if they go with it.

“And I think that especially I realized when so many young people, especially young men rushed to defend me when this stuff first started coming out that this type of sex pest behavior is normalized. And a lot of people think this stuff is normal,” he continued. “And I don’t think that it is and I think that I want to be fully responsible for not having a fluid understanding of consent. And what enthusiastic two-way consent looks like.”

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Attention seeker lol

Thanks for posting this. Its important that awareness is raised for the victims of Andrew Callaghan, because it’s their takes that matter. The people here are entitled to their opinions, but they can also go suck a dingleberry for having shit-brained takes defending an admitted sex pest.

He needs to stop all sexual predatory in the entire world. That would be a genuine apology.

The internet jury has been convened. What will be the verdict?

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Genuine question as I am OOTL and old. What is stealthing?

My guy, literally every action can be called a consequence, it’s honestly mindlessly flippant and empty statement. “Oh Tim murdered his wife because she burnt the toast? Sounds like you’re just listing consequences hheuebeuhu”

Like you provide less than nothing to the conversation that lazy analysis like that.

Because people want justice rather than understanding. Both defenders and detractors completely miss the purpose of an apology.

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I thought it was one of the most genuine apologies of this type I have ever seen. It doesn't undo the act but it seems also shitty of her to call it a "fake apology" the whole time. She never stops sounding snotty.
I don't know what happened between the two of them, and I'm not saying Andrew does not deserve the accountability that he himself requested, but this seems like a terribly thought out response.

I’m confused - are you defending the sex offender here? Because he gave an apology?

The only people that should care about the authenticity of his apology are the victims themselves. Anyone else commenting about it can go touch grass

And then Andrew responds to this apology video response. And then she responds to his response to this apology video response. And on and on and on and on and on…..

It’s he said she said. No one has proven anything. This is a mob trial with torches and pitchforks. This is not justice. It’s a mob imposing their vision of accountability after he said she said comments. It’s a cancellation.

Again.. you're just listing consequences. These accusations aren't minor, it wasn't just one or two. It wasn't just a politically incorrect tweet. It is a serious situation. I think that's the main disconnect here, I don't think you agree with how serious it is. It seems obvious to me people aren't just gonna accept an apology for this and pretend like nothing happened. Tim and Eric don't want to be associated with someone who sexually assaulted someone. He said he was taking actions to fix his behavior, but that doesn't mean everything's suddenly all good. And if there were no repercussions for what happened he may not change at all. People should know that if you sexually assault multiple people that you may lose a big partnership with public figures. Your community may go against you. That just seems fair to me. I also don't think it's a new cultural thing, other then people now care about sexual assault.

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Then it should go to court. The court of public opinion is a fucked up flawed mob trial and it’s awful for us as a society to be doing this. This is cancer. Someone can’t just say “x person did this” and then we collectively ruin their lives over it. That’s not justice. It’s not proof. It’s not anything but stupid reactionary virtue signaling. Everyone just wants to feel superior and sanctimonious and tell everyone how much they care and how much they’re doing. No one wants to have real empathy. It’s ridiculous.

He stealthed a girl. That is rape. You're defending a rapist. It is what it is

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