Don't think fines go on the how much the business is worth.

Yes he can have to opportunity to do better but he no longer deserves to be in the public eye. Also being a sex pest is a form of rape. It’s called sexual coercion. Forcing women to consent is not consent it’s rape.

It doesnt. But i would rather show people that admitting mistakes and making amends is the way to go.

He didnt rape the victims. He didnt commit murder. But people act like he did.

Admitting his actions is something most people in this spineless society wouldn't even consider. Acting like that makes it worse is ridiculous.

Let him face the consequences. But give him the opportunity to do better than he did in the past.

People how commit sexual assault should be punished. Being a sex pest, which he admits to, is a form of sexual assault. This dude will probably never see a jail cell so he should lose his career instead.

An apology does not make the trauma that these women suffered though go away.

It’s not a witch hunt when the dude came out and admitted he’s a witch lol. Witch hunt implies it’s all fake

They didn’t have sex though. And he did eventually get the hint and stop. Did he go too far and need to apologize, definitely. But he didn’t ACTUALLY do anything. Real bad look but if what he says is true I think I can see how this happened without him being some monster.

So admitting your mistakes and genuine regret are a reason for witch hunts?

The cries for cancelation started right after the accusations, not after him admitting his guilt. And let's be fucking real. Being pushy and pressuring someone to consensual sex is a shitty thing to do, but it is NOT the same as sexual Assault.

But sure, let's treat him like Harvey winesteins little nephew...

Sexual assault is illegal, did you even listen to her first videos? He forced himself on her in her car. He didn’t even address anything specific and muddied the waters saying some things were untrue and some were true, without clarifying. He deflected constantly throughout this, blaming alcohol, society “not knowing”. This was a terrible PR “apology”

Yeah it’s called an analogy

Imagine comparing burnt toast with sexual assault.

Different actions have different consequences.

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You're missing the point likely because you don't want to follow the logical conclusions so let me make myself more clear.

How about Tim's wife burns the toast so he talks ill of her to everyone and gets her ostracized and fired from her job and kicked out of her friend groups.

No one here is arguing for violence as a consequence.

However, if Tim wanted to have a divorce due to burnt toast, then that is completely his prerogative and such a divorce would be the consequence of her actions.

No, sexual assault is what’s deeply gross and flawed.

He could work at Walmart or similar as most other people do.

It sounds like you she does understand how his actions can't be normal and are normalized. But as she said she's tired of these types of actions being normalized, that's also fair. Also I think Andrew's explanation simply explains his actions it in no way justifies them. He knew what he was doing, and he was doing it strictly for personal gain and self gratification. We are all adults we all have the tools to learn, I believe that on some level he knew what he was doing was wrong but it was working for him so he chose to continue behaving this way because he was getting away with it.

People tired of other people getting away with sexual assault?

Ew.

I'm not sure which "you people" you're lumping me into, but I would at best call myself a casual consumer of his content. Sounds like you might've been a bigger fan. I'm speaking as someone vehemently opposed to public shaming, because it feels fucking medieval.

Are you genuinely asking how that's implied by your responses or just need a moment to feel shock? If you see a global shaming campaign that matter-of-fact put this kid in a pysch ward as "accountability", that implies you believe it was deserved. It's fine that you didn't mean to imply that, which is why I asked you to clarify.

This is exactly my problem with these conversations. No one wants to actually face the harmful, gross realities of public shaming—it's just a leaderless internet trend they can log in and out of. They want to focus on the initial fucked up actions (they were) and then hand-waive the reaction no matter how net-harmful it may be.

And no, going to jail and feeling local embarrassment is not in the same universe as global humiliation. But even what you went through, I'm equally opposed to. I'm genuinely sorry. Any consequence that isn't solely focused on rehabilitation is fucked in my opinion, including the entirety of the prison industrial complex.

> but then bring it right back with words like "consequence" and "held accountable". Both those words imply pushing someone to the brink of suicide was deserved.

Woah, WHAT THE FUCK? How the F U C K is that implied? What is wrong with you people? You act like "held accountable" is some vague thing, it fucking isn't. It's actually what Andrew started in his public response. All i'm saying is it's not the end of him taking accountability. Losing his deal with Tim and Eric is part of it to. It's whatever the fuck happens. I was arrested in high school. What happened is everyone I knew learned about it. I was suspended from school and my sports team. I'm not leading some public shaming campaign. I'm explaining why he's facing repercussions. Your claiming i'm advocating for his fucking suicide? What the flying fuck is the matter with you? I'm a huge fan of his, i'm gutted by this. Fuck you people. Seriously, the responses i'm getting here make me fucking sick.

Some of the accounts I have seen posted around here said he did use force. So allegedly, I guess?

"I don't believe victims of rape" is less words and gets the same message out

Unrelenting public shaming is what most people mean by "cancel culture", if you're actually asking and not just being obtuse.

There are a lot of consequences and accountability that don't include internet mobs and global shaming. I'm not arguing anything about his career. I'm arguing that public shaming is deeply gross and flawed, and it's sad that so many have embraced it as a natural consequence—the overall tenor of your replies.

You're stepping in and out of having a perspective here but then bring it right back with words like "consequence" and "held accountable". Both those words imply pushing someone to the brink of suicide was deserved. If that's not what you think, feel free to clarify.

Lmao, what an odd response. I wasn't moving goal posts, I was responding to his explanation of why it's cancel culture.

The point of this isn't to hurt Andrew. That's a byproduct of him being held accountable. I'm not saying Tim and Eric have to cut ties, i'm explaining why they did. Who is saying that it's necessary to hurt him? You are arguing that this shouldn't ruin his career, but what does that entail? His partners need to keep working with him and his fans can't stop watching him? Anything else is cancel culture?

andrew and sam hyde would be pretty tight ngl.