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lollow88 t1_j9ivhx8 wrote

Reply to comment by skofan in Dutch intelligence services have warned that Russia is "covertly mapping" key energy infrastructure in the North Sea, in preparation for possible sabotage attacks. by green_flash

>For christs sake, France, the most left leaning country in Europe

Curious about this, what makes you say that? If I had to say, I'd place Sweden and even Spain (especially in the last decade) more to the left of France.

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msemen_DZ t1_j9ivcgw wrote

Reply to comment by TheBusStop12 in Dutch intelligence services have warned that Russia is "covertly mapping" key energy infrastructure in the North Sea, in preparation for possible sabotage attacks. by green_flash

They had proof linking Al Qaeda to the event in just a few hours, that's why everyone responded.

The point is the US still had to prove to NATO allies that the attacks were eligible under the terms of the North Atlantic Treaty Article 5. This wasn't confirmed until beginning of October even though the US invoked it on the 12th of September.

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venomm1123 t1_j9ise1q wrote

Reply to comment by TheBusStop12 in Dutch intelligence services have warned that Russia is "covertly mapping" key energy infrastructure in the North Sea, in preparation for possible sabotage attacks. by green_flash

> All of NATO came along when the US triggered article 5 after 9/11 to invade Afghanistan without proper proof (everyone nowadays knows it was mostly Saudi Arabian people behind the attack)

Osama bin Laden was physically in Afghanistan and Afghanistan received an ultimatum requesting to hand him over to the US, which they refused.

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TheBusStop12 t1_j9is1xf wrote

Reply to comment by msemen_DZ in Dutch intelligence services have warned that Russia is "covertly mapping" key energy infrastructure in the North Sea, in preparation for possible sabotage attacks. by green_flash

>Try calling Article 5 on something with no proof, you gonna get shut down by other NATO members.

All of NATO came along when the US triggered article 5 after 9/11 to invade Afghanistan without proper proof (everyone nowadays knows it was mostly Saudi Arabian people behind the attack)

If Article 5 is triggered then that's it, members will have to respond in some form. Lest you risk the alliance falling apart. It's built on trust after all.

Luckily members do not throw this around willy nilly, especially where Russia is concerned, and will likely only trigger it if there's substantial proof that Russia crippled critical infrastructure

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msemen_DZ t1_j9irlra wrote

Reply to comment by TheBusStop12 in Dutch intelligence services have warned that Russia is "covertly mapping" key energy infrastructure in the North Sea, in preparation for possible sabotage attacks. by green_flash

>Denmark and Germany decided against triggering Article 5 after Russia blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

Because there is no proof of that. Article 5 is a very big deal. Try calling Article 5 on something with no proof, you gonna get shut down by other NATO members. You don't escalate like this on hunches.

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TheBusStop12 t1_j9ink1t wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Dutch intelligence services have warned that Russia is "covertly mapping" key energy infrastructure in the North Sea, in preparation for possible sabotage attacks. by green_flash

Denmark and Germany decided against triggering Article 5 after Russia blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

It all depends on just how critical the infrastructure is to whether you want to risk all out war. It's a balance the attacked country must decide themselves. Same goes for Russia, they know that if they go too far they'll risk too much, so I'm very doubtful they'll damage anything critical

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Kvothealar t1_j9impnd wrote

Reply to I spent a year preparing for a reporting trip from Senegal to Morocco to Spain. My team and I set out to connect three of the biggest stories of our time: climate change, global migration, and the rise of far-right political leaders. Now that we’re back, AMA! by npr

I realize the AMA is over, but here's to hope.

If there's one key takeaway you want everybody to take away from your research and all the work you've done, what would it be?

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Basquebadboy t1_j9imcfm wrote

Reply to comment by cymricchen in Dutch intelligence services have warned that Russia is "covertly mapping" key energy infrastructure in the North Sea, in preparation for possible sabotage attacks. by green_flash

That article is wrong on several key points such as the Norwegian naval vessel being at the pipeline at the time he describes. It also banks on Norway being a war monger for profit, and its elected leadership participation in a near act of war of aggression on a neighboring country which is an enormously tall order of speculative reporting on the weakest of sources. Hersh has been more wrong than right after the won the Pulitzer price in the 1970ies or so. The more interesting question is who fed him this fantasy tale, and why?

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Georgep0rwell t1_j9ikvkx wrote

Reply to comment by AbuelitasWAP in I spent a year preparing for a reporting trip from Senegal to Morocco to Spain. My team and I set out to connect three of the biggest stories of our time: climate change, global migration, and the rise of far-right political leaders. Now that we’re back, AMA! by npr

We live better now than kings and queens did 100 years ago.

But if you want to be Debbie Downer....I can't help you.

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