That's the best way I can describe it but it is definitely more complex than that, to the point where it isn't always simply theft.

Low wages and unaffordable housing should not stay the same and it's not a big idea to suggest we should change that.

Vermont's biggest problem is changing nothing and then being shocked when nothing changes.

>flatlanders that keep trying to make Vermont more like wherever they came from

In my case, this is apparently why we can't have sidewalks (this was also why it took forever to pass recreational cannabis sales & open shops). Crazy that nimbys don't consider public safety when you have kids walking home from school on the side of the road.

Vermont is in America and Nimbyism sucks.

Edit: when changes are discussed in your locale more people need to ask themselves what really makes Vermont, Vermont; and we should then ask if the changes proposed actually threaten that, because most of the time it doesn't. Some people believe no gay marriage allowed makes Vermont, Vermont (hence the take back Vermont bs). At one point there used to be more cows than people, and a lot of the forests we have now are because Vermont used to have a lot more farm land that has since grown over. Should we clear cut the trees to make Vermont, Vermont again by bringing the sheep farms back too?

Vermont was also the first to abolish slavery, shall we exile everyone who flies confederate flags here, or ban the flag itself, since Vermont was never a part of it and was openly against slavery before emancipation?

Because Vermont is a seedbed of change, and sometimes it's even ahead of the game! Americans traveling from other American states to this state in America are not trying to make it Boston part 2. You can catch up to this century and still preserve it. I think a lot of people confuse preservation with never changing anything. But if your house is already rotting now, you're not doing anyone a favor by leaving it dilapidated for the next generation. . .

To be honest and fair, I don't really know the math of it.

Forgetting all political bullshit just ask yourself this

-do I want it -do I need it -does this make me happy

Well is it thinking or is it looking at every image of Vermont and then making a new one out of that?

Well they are just selfish then. That's not an issue of "if that happened, Vermont wouldn't be Vermont". I don't care if they're afraid of change.

We should make sure to plant seeds for trees that we wont be able to enjoy the shade under in our lifetime, and they won't be remembered fondly for doing the opposite.

Right?!

They're saying this all as if there aren't people who live here year round, who need to be able to live near where they work!

Edit: are we really saying a shortage of dentists is what makes Vermont, Vermont too? Really?

Vermont means Green Mountain not Change Nothing.

Nimbys don't represent this state, they make it worse.

I hope you don't tailgate people the way a lot of other Vermonters do.

If the wages were better, and if housing was more accessible, that wouldn't be a problem.

Is that why they're paying people to move here?

Conservative fiscal policy is a driving force behind the social unrest you claim to care to change. Fiscal and social policy are not in separate vacuums lmfao

I don't like Phil Scott either, seeing as he won't raise the state minimum wage and decided to lift mask mandates, which is causing a lot of our labor shortages now.

"Former 2000s democrat" is confusing phrasing you should change by the way.

I remember trump having a lot more to do with that than the average republican would care to acknowledge. And I never ran out of any of those things in Vermont. Which, let's face it, only did so well because of the low population density, and that we actually made people wear masks at all. Drop the masking and what? We're shocked it's back and causing problems? Sure. Ok /s.

Also, does this mean you voted for Bush?

Oh I read that you're a republican too, don't worry. 🚩.

(Also read the comic, again; three times to infinity if that's what it takes for you to get the message)

Lmfao "globalism" 🚩🚩🚩 also using the r word? Really? Are you a grown adult or a child in a CoD lobby?

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I'm arguing that this entire time the minimum wage has not budged, and even if someone at McDs was making 16 and hour, that's still not enough for a 1br anywhere in the country.

I WISH I was making 50-80k with my business. I've never made more than 25k a year, and when that happened half of my income was tips which are not actually a sustainable source of income.

You're just staying a different iteration of "The frycook is making more than the EMT"

To which I say, that's not the frycooks fault and the EMT should be paid more. Worker solidarity & all that jazz.

Yeah notice how all of that happened without wages keeping up.

Businesses need to stop depending on underpaying labor, with no benefits like paid sick leave, for profit. This model is not sustainable, and nothing can function if most people barely have enough to even cover rent. How is it bad for businesses if more people have more money to spend?

Yeah no shit, that's why saying raising wages will make other costs rise is kind of bullshit!

Newsflash, costs have risen regardless of wage stagnation

Nimbys.

Vermont barely has winters like it used to, it's up here too.

Raising wages would make housing more affordable too.

When that golf tournament came to Brookline it really gunked up the traffic so tbh I'm fine with huge sporting events like that not being in direct vicinity to or right within the city

Those are Americans moving within America between American states. Don't let it get you down that some people here don't get it.