ArgentStonecutter

ArgentStonecutter t1_it1nv3r wrote

Reply to comment by TheRidgeAndTheLadder in Since Humans Need Not Apply video there has not much been videos which supports CGP Grey's claim by RavenWolf1

The capex of creating and training the human to AGI equivalent level does not show up on any budget, it's hidden in the opex of employing other humans, and the opex of employing humans who don't have to pay for the training because they're childless is about the same.

That's not true for AGI, so if you're going to include capex in the equation it makes the AGI more expensive.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_it027zs wrote

Reply to comment by iNstein in Since Humans Need Not Apply video there has not much been videos which supports CGP Grey's claim by RavenWolf1

I too want to live under fully automated luxury gay space communism, where the energy is generated and feedstocks are mined and goods are manufactured by replicating machines out there beyond the atmosphere where they don't have to deal with the fact that the whole Earth is already owned by somebody and none of those somebodies are ready to hand over their share of the pie to the state.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_isyuqa8 wrote

Reply to comment by IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE in Since Humans Need Not Apply video there has not much been videos which supports CGP Grey's claim by RavenWolf1

If that happens where's the incentive to keep paying for the electricity to power the factories making goods, the feedstocks the goods are made from, and where are you shipping them if there's no market? The owner will just mothball it until there's demand again.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_isgfmb1 wrote

Reply to comment by AdditionalPizza in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza

> Aside from whether or not it requires a self aware AI and the ways to achieve a singularity situation, and the definition of it.

I never even suggested that. I said that it requires a mind more powerful than a current human, but that could be enhanced and upgraded humans. But there is no reason to assume their roles would remain similar to those in Economy 1.0... odds are strongly against it. And it's not going to be the super-rich in general getting the risky implants.

If those minds are just tools under the control of the likes of Musk, though, that's not the singularity.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_isgdnxd wrote

Reply to comment by AdditionalPizza in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza

That's right. It's a locus in time we can't see beyond.

That's the point. It's not just more of the ongoing exponential growth in technology that we've been dealing with since the industrial revolution at least.

I don't think you're actually disagreeing with me any more.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_isg2nus wrote

Reply to comment by AdditionalPizza in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza

That's basically the foundational document of singularity theory.

What you're talking about here is not "Unfathomable change and uncontrollable runaway technological innovation". It's a very fathomable change that involves a society only minimally different from our own.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_isfwwxn wrote

Reply to comment by AdditionalPizza in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza

If a human level intelligence remains in control of society it's not the singularity. It's possibly better than the singularity, for the most of us, but "singularity" is not a synonym for the general topic of posthumanity and post-scarcity society. It's a specific phase change in society in which our kind of humanity, if it still exists, understands it no more than a dog does.

> we are entering a regime as radically different from our human past as we humans are from the lower animals > > https://edoras.sdsu.edu/~vinge/misc/singularity.html

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ArgentStonecutter t1_isfui7s wrote

Reply to comment by AdditionalPizza in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza

> I imagine it as a daily mix of medications and vitamins to make people healthier and prevent diseases. And people would regularly go and get diagnostics done to keep in top health.

And who do you think is running the companies that make this stuff?

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ArgentStonecutter t1_isf1p7v wrote

Reply to comment by advertisementeconomy in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza

As seen in Accelerando by Charlie Stross. It's a singularity of bionically enhanced day traders with computer upgrades in their overclocked brains who run the solar system on "Economics 2.0" that mere human level minds can't understand.

Read it online here.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_iqxxuuq wrote

Reply to When will our lives get better collectively. The clock is ticking!! by ObjectiveDeal

Already happened.

I'm a time traveler from the 60s, where we didn't even have have color TV and phone numbers were only 6 digits. The internet was literally science fiction (Shockwave Rider, 1974) and we still expected flying cars. They invented vaccines for measles, mumps, and whooping cough while I was a kid and it was EXCITING!

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