ArgentStonecutter

ArgentStonecutter t1_ixi18z1 wrote

> believes that AIs/robots need to be programmed to 'feel' and to 'fear death' as a way to truly capture the essence of living and is the breakthrough that is needed for true AGI

I always hated that shit in Bicentennial Man. People keep going on about how uplifting the story and later the movie were, but it always just seemed creepy AF to me.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_ixczyvr wrote

You say that with such insulted seriousness.

And yet there are many respected physicists treating the many-worlds interpretation entirely seriously. Here's a fairly recent paper arguing that it's actually required for conservation of energy in QM.

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2021/01/28/energy-conservation-and-non-conservation-in-quantum-mechanics/

> What you and I think of as a “measurement” is just when a quantum system in a superposition becomes entangled with some macroscopic object (the “measuring apparatus”), which in turn becomes entangled with its environment (“decoherence”).

Edit: Oh, you blocked me? Well, bye bye.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_ixcxq42 wrote

My answer is to unask the question. Mu.

Look, consider the cat in the box thought-experiment. Everyone gets all hung up on the cat being in two states, and doesn't stop to think "what if the cat is also an observer". When the vial breaks the cat collapses the system. Or "what if the mechanism that breaks the vial of poison is also an observer". And that's just the lowest level of confusion. I'm saying, what if the experimenter isn't an observer?

They open the box and are now in a superposition, their wave function has two peaks in the states "looking at a live cat" and "looking at a dead cat".

The device, the cat, the experimenter, they're all just collections of particles. You can't meaningfully point to any of these collections and claim that the privileged role of the observer stops there.

And you can't go the other way, and say it's observed when it interacts with another particle, because quantum mechanical devices have been used to keep entangled states functioning as qbits while in a sea of particles, or even transmitted them over fiber optic cables made of zillions of particles.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_ixchwkk wrote

This article is written by someone who hasn't thought very deeply about the mechanics of simulation, particularly the analogy it draws between the speed of light and processing power which it later completely invalidates when discussing quantum entanglement by stating position (and thus velocity) to be irrelevant.

The test itself is fallacious. Annihilation, in particular, would not destroy the information in a particle-pair. That information would be retained in the states of the resulting photons, just as it's retained in the event horizon of a black hole.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_iwgk4pc wrote

Your level of detail algorithms would produce observable artifacts unless you have some super AI managing it aware of the meaning of things like electronics and sensors so it can simulate the few cubic centimeters of rock that's the processors in a space probe but won't bother simulating the millions of cubic meters of rock in the asteroid it's flying past. Also, it needs to know that this chunk of rock is part of a gravity wave detector so you need to sync it up with the simulated supernova that happened 30 years ago 30 light years away... but this is just a chunk of the Earth and you can treat it as a uniform mass of undifferentiated basalt.

I don't think it's possible to hide the error artifacts from even our level of technology.

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