Artanthos

Artanthos t1_ivmdvtd wrote

In a world where only the wealthy have survived and most labor is automated, a lot of the issues you point out simply would not exist.

I say most and not all because there are certain jobs the very wealthy are unlikely to want automated even if possible.

Nannies would be one of those jobs. Along with personal chefs, certain highly creative jobs, and areas that they simply don’t feel comfortable giving machines decision making power.

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Artanthos t1_ivl01w8 wrote

A partial collapse leading to a far smaller population is also a possibility.

A dystopian hell for the majority while a much smaller minority lives in unparalleled wealth.

Only the Utopian society survives, as the dystopian societies collapse and die off. Perhaps quickly due to famine and climate change. Perhaps over a couple of generations as they are provided basic food and shelter with anti-fertility mixed into the food as a condition.

There are many possible shades of grey, each with their own moral arguments and their own sets of winners and losers.

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Artanthos t1_ivehar7 wrote

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Artanthos t1_ivee32z wrote

  1. If 3rd world countries collapse, the availability of cheap labor increases. To the extent that society allows immigrants.
  2. Automation is already reducing reliance on cheap labor. This is especially true in agriculture and food services.

If anything, the wealthy will soon reach a point where they no longer need laborers. At least not at anything resembling today’s volume.

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Artanthos t1_ivc9c2o wrote

Fascism as a response to climate driven immigration seems much more likely than a complete collapse.

Desalination plants are already capable of solving water shortages in the American West, just not at a price people are currently willing to pay.

Vertical Farming and cultured meats are pretty much climate independent. Again, not at a price most people are currently willing to pay.

It’s going to be the 3rd world countries that face collapse.

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Artanthos t1_iuy2fwb wrote

Land, and housing, ownership is the single greatest means by which the middle class accumulates generational wealth.

By removing ownership, it is the middle class that gets held down. Not the wealthy.

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Artanthos t1_iusflyq wrote

Skeptics: how can we create consciousness, we don’t even understand it.

Realist: AI is already moving past our ability to understand. It will soon create more things even further beyond our understanding.

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Artanthos t1_iuk926y wrote

This pretty much describes me.

Never gone more than a few days unemployed since I was 16.

Some of those jobs were pretty shitty, but even the shitty jobs appreciated someone that showed up ready to work.

McDonalds? I had guaranteed hours and paid vacations six months after I started. Same working dish tank at another restaurant.

In the end, I found a great job with great people and good compensation and excellent work/ life balance.

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Artanthos t1_iujdrot wrote

The ability to kill does not make a society advanced.

The Aztecs where an an advanced society, but their areas of advancement were not all military.

But apparently the people on Reddit feel that that only thing that defines civilization is the ability to kill.

By that definition, Rome was less civilized than the Germanic tribes that overthrew them.

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