CactusBoyScout
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izjjy62 wrote
Reply to comment by fernst in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Yes but my understanding is that that project only went before the council because it involved rezoning.
It probably seems like I’m splitting hairs here but just wanted to explain that you can build without council approval if it meets existing zoning.
The reason so many of these projects involve the council is because they’re in former industrial/commercial areas and the developers are asking for permission to change that zoning to residential.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izje0wb wrote
Reply to comment by Accurate_Walk6563 in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
It worked great in suburban NJ when they passed a similar law. Now most train stations there are surrounded by big new apartment buildings.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izjdjwh wrote
Reply to comment by Accurate_Walk6563 in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
What does anything you said have to do with increasing density?
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izjcums wrote
Reply to comment by ParadoxFoxV9 in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
When people talk about zoning and the housing crisis, they’re primarily talking about arbitrary limits on density, not rules that prevent factories in residential areas. Or they’re talking about converting former industrial areas to residential like what happened on the Williamsburg waterfront.
There are not lots of empty housing units. This is a widely propagated myth. The city’s vacancy rate is extremely low.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izjcey1 wrote
Reply to comment by Accurate_Walk6563 in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
So what? That can and should change. The state is likely going to pursue a law in the near future that would force increased density near transit anyway. So all those areas (including Long Island) would have to allow apartments within walking distance of trains.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izhozu0 wrote
Reply to comment by GettingPhysicl in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Agreed. Cities like Minneapolis and Portland managed to end single-family zoning. Yet NYC still has it in places like Staten Island and East Queens.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izhgwr3 wrote
Reply to comment by Scruffyy90 in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Luxury apartments still take pressure off the market. Those rich people will just outbid you for your next apartment if they don't get built.
And vacant apartments are a vastly overstated problem. The city's vacancy rate is extremely low.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izhbop1 wrote
Reply to comment by LunchMasterFlex in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
The state tracks housing vacancy rates. I don’t know the exact criteria but they’ve tracked it for decades.
The rent stabilization law has a stipulation that stabilization ends automatically when vacancies reach a certain percentage that’s considered healthy for a housing market. That has never happened, obviously. They came close during 2020 but still short.
And we saw what happens to rents when vacancies actually increase significantly.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izh3vz6 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
You’re conflating two different things.
Jacob Riis inspired basic rules around safety and crowding in apartments and light/air.
Zoning in the US absolutely started as a way to keep poor and black people out of certain areas.
> Zoning determines what can be built where, and is ubiquitous in the United States. Low-density residential zoning predominates in US cities far more than in other countries, limiting housing opportunities for those who cannot afford large homes. These zoning regulations have racist and classist origins, make housing more expensive, and reinforce segregation patterns.
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-soc-030420-122027
And NYC’s first zoning law was not inspired by Riis. It was inspired by the massive Equitable Building which was just a giant cube that blocked light on the street below. The first zoning law was primarily focused on requiring setbacks.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izh2hgs wrote
Reply to comment by LunchMasterFlex in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
The vacancy rate is at historic lows and decreases every year.
What you’re describing only happens in noteworthy numbers on Billionaires Row.
Everywhere else, landlords are renting out as many units as they possibly can to take advantage of high prices.
Also, people who repeat this never seem to be able to explain why rents went down substantially in 2020. Did landlords withholding things not work then? Surely that would’ve been the ideal time to do it, right?
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izgsq6g wrote
Reply to comment by Pool_Shark in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Which safety rules are being removed?
Most of what I've read so far has said it's about removing environmental impact studies for smaller developments, removing/reducing parking minimums, and consolidating existing rule enforcement under the DOB.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izgs9ky wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
That's because developers know the rich neighborhoods have a much higher chance of stopping projects. So they don't even try there.
Developers go for poorer neighborhoods because a) property is cheaper and b) the locals are far less likely to have the time/money to organize opposition to projects.
Rich neighborhoods will often pool their resources to hire lawyers, lobbyists, and preservationists to fight changes around them.
Hell, the UES has successfully blocked an accessibility elevator at an existing subway station for 10 years now... because of "neighborhood character."
The Seaport area has kept a parking lot from becoming housing through similar efforts.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izgkvqw wrote
Reply to comment by fernst in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
That's already how it works. The community boards mostly get involved when the developer wants to rezone something.
Zoning is the issue where local politicians get to play NIMBY.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izgcp6l wrote
Reply to comment by chargeorge in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
You mean redesigning the same bike lane 3 times in 5 years isn’t a sign of efficiency?!
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izg9v98 wrote
Reply to comment by honest86 in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Amazing. The idea that anything with “environmental” in the name could be used to mandate parking for cars is the height of irony.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izg98kd wrote
Reply to comment by notmyclementine in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Many cities in Europe have the opposite system… parking maximums. And the few spots that are allowed typically have to be reserved for people with mobility issues.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izg8zyi wrote
Reply to comment by mousekeeping in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Yep. Zoning was first invented to keep apartments from being built near rich people’s homes. Before that, the rich actually had to buy up property around them to prevent development.
And then zoning replaced de facto segregation in the suburbs when that was banned. “Poor people aren’t banned here… we just ban any housing they could actually afford.”
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izg6zgi wrote
Reply to comment by lee1026 in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
NYC does have a "right to build" system that basically says you can build whatever you want as long as it adheres to current zoning.
The big fights over development that you read about are almost always because the developer wants to change the zoning... often from industrial (think former waterfront factories) or light commercial (the single-story retail in Harlem that nearly became a big development) to higher-density residential.
Zoning is essentially about maintaining the status quo in an area. So if you want to increase density at all or build residential where it previously didn't exist, you typically have to go through these painful rezoning processes where every local leader gets a veto and it takes years.
I think a more serious solution would be to just loosen zoning citywide.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izg5zfn wrote
Reply to comment by notmyclementine in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
I thought I read elsewhere that he was just proposing to reduce parking minimums?
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izfz8sh wrote
Reply to comment by chargeorge in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Yeah another article said that one of the biggest roadblocks is simply staffing shortages in City Hall... caused partly by his requirement of 5 days a week in the office.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izfyyze wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
You're not going to get super accurate population numbers after 2020 because that's when the last census was done. So it's just estimates after 2020.
But that census showed a growth of 629,000 people between 2010 and 2020.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/us/new-york-city-population-growth.html
And housing supply grew by 193,000 in that same period.
Source: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/1c9138dc24064b2e8142ff156345a719
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izfv2kk wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
Sure. Here's a good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_housing_shortage
> Between 2009 and 2018, according to the New York City Comptroller, New York gained 500,000 new residents, but built only 100,000 new housing units.
And for vacant stabilized units: https://citylimits.org/2022/11/17/empty-rent-stabilized-units-in-nyc-decreased-this-year-as-warehousing-debate-rages/
> Property owners have registered 38,621 of the city’s roughly 1 million rent-stabilized units as vacant, according to the 2022 records provided by New York State Homes and Community Renewal (HCR).
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izfu2qe wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
This is just inaccurate, sorry.
NYC's population has grown by hundreds of thousands while housing supply has grown far more slowly.
We need 400,000 new housing units just to make up for the deficit we got ourselves into over the last decade.
There aren't half a million vacant apartments lying around. Supply is absolutely the problem. And there are only 38,000 rent-stabilized units being held vacant... mostly because the rent doesn't justify the renovations required.
CactusBoyScout OP t1_izfgtm0 wrote
Reply to “Adams Plan Would Relax Rules for Developers Amid N.Y.C. Housing Crisis” The mayor proposed reducing requirements that he said slow the construction of new homes as the city contends with a housing crisis. by CactusBoyScout
> He noted that the creation of new housing has lagged far behind population growth.
> “There is nowhere for people to go,” he said. “It’s not complicated. We have more people than homes.”
TL;DR the proposal would basically remove a lot of roadblocks for smaller residential developments like exempting them from environmental impact requirements. It would also bring more of the process under one roof… the DOB would take over some fire safety stuff from FDNY.
I just want to know about parking minimums. Those have got to go. More and more cities (all with worse transit than NY) are eliminating them entirely. But we still have minimums everywhere except Lower Manhattan.
CactusBoyScout t1_izkywgk wrote
Reply to comment by SolitaryMarmot in Pickleball players banned from NYC park after turf war with kids by habichuelacondulce
Isn’t it just tennis lite?