HolyGig

HolyGig t1_j08p91d wrote

Wait a minute, i've seen this movie before. We built a space station together and then they invaded Ukraine anyways.

Co-dependence is a nice theory but it doesn't work when autocrats are at the helm. They view it as weakness, as leverage which can be exploited. NASA is a science institution so I don't blame or fault them for lobbying for more engagement but its just not going to happen beyond basic coordination which we already do. Anything beyond that is just the height of stupidity.

>“I’m a Star Trek fan, so I’m optimistic,” he said.

Yeah, the funny thing about Star Trek lore is that we didn't start really cooperating until after WWIII had wiped out practically everyone.

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HolyGig t1_iyhue88 wrote

That's not really a decision for the US though, Europe's participation in Artemis is through the ESA.

I know Canada and Japan both have astronauts on early Artemis missions but I don't think its been decided who will be the first non-American to step on the Moon. That certainly won't happen on Artemis III but I bet it is a European given ESA's contributions. Will be an interesting and I assume hard fought over political decision when it does happen. Wouldn't surprise me if it did end up being a French astronaut though

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HolyGig t1_ixidenu wrote

Who else's sake would it be for if not Europe's? The US itself does hardly any business with Russia and is not threatened by them in any way shape or form. Europe's security is of vital importance to US interests even if Europeans themselves don't seem to give a shit.

A little off topic but the overall theme is independence from the US

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HolyGig t1_ixeyruo wrote

Somebody is certainly lost, yes.

We are not talking about individual countries, we are taking about Europe. The French want Europe to pay them to be the space power on behalf of the whole EU. If you don't see any issue with that then I don't know what to tell you.

>aerospace contractors are the only winners here.

A singular French aerospace contractor specifically, but yes that would be correct.

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HolyGig t1_ixewp7a wrote

European taxpayers should have gotten stiffed. It was their votes and their leadership which led to that outcome. Co dependence was literally the strategy. Meanwhile Americans have already spent $40B with Biden looking for $40B more to fight a war we had no agency in creating.

Independence from the US is great and all but partnering with scum to achieve it is both hypocritical and counterproductive.

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HolyGig t1_ixeo1rj wrote

>Until America decides we aren't, and then we're all in the shit.The US typically is friendly with us until we get in the way of their business interests or show any kind of deviation from US foreign policy.

Says the people signing tech and investment deals with China. Says the people who spent the last decade ignoring all warnings about Russia and now American taxpayers are footing the bill because Europe can't handle its own backyard. Again.

Man sometimes I wonder why we even fucking bother lol. Europe should be allowed to drown in its own hubris one of these days.

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HolyGig t1_ixem6ev wrote

>The irrational, illogical reasoning you've got is that there can only be winners or losers.

That is actually what you are doing. China and the US are "winning" in space while Europe is losing, according to this statement which you are defending.

Europe already has Galileo. They already have independent access to space. Your examples makes no sense. This is a French politician whining that Europe should spend more on space because most of that money would go to French companies lol, not because they actually give a fuck about space.

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HolyGig t1_iuu4gso wrote

The attack was doomed from the start lol, it was totally unsupported and it stood no chance if it didn't decapitate the Cuban government in an impossibly small amount of time.

"Leadership?" Yes, it was very impressive that Castro's government didn't just dissolve themselves in the face of small amounts of adversity. That was basically the only way the "dissidents" could have won.

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HolyGig t1_is458t6 wrote

Heavy metals are fairly easy to clean up for the most part. Its the shit that seeps into groundwater and travels that really sucks to clean up.

Chlorinated solvents aren't used at dry cleaners anymore for a good reason nor do we allow floor drains that seep directly into the earth

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