Lawjarp2

Lawjarp2 t1_it8pw0t wrote

Short term transitional issues. Better save money ,reduce expense till UBI is large enough. If you really think transition is long, then Food, energy, shelter, healthcare is basic

(1) buy a home (2) make it self sufficient on energy via solar panels

Food will probably be cheap. Oh, don't be in a country where healthcare is expensive if you expect to be jobless for long in a transition.

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Lawjarp2 t1_it8iz75 wrote

Yes I agree with that. But my point is they won't be anything like what we have. And only one is absolutely needed for everything else to come up. Survival.

Simulation of an entire universe is a terrible way to experience anything. Most people explain away the need for it through things that are very 'human' and don't consider how it's not essential

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Lawjarp2 t1_it8f2us wrote

Everything is derived from survival needs.

(1) Pain is the most useless. You can have sensors akin to the same without overloading your brain. I would say it's better to handle it logically.

(2) Fear is nearly the same but much worse leading to multiple fails like anxiety, PTSD, trauma. It's a good to have when you are limited by brain power and need to focus. Not needed for a super intelligent being.

(3) Anger, rage, vengeance are simply animal behaviours intended to survive and thrive in a society filled with other less intelligent but useful(food) beings

(4) Sadness, sense of fairness, empathy are necessary for social living in a group of biological beings. They don't need to exist outside them.

Need for survival is the only thing truly needed. Everything else gets created around it.

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Lawjarp2 t1_it8d7jy wrote

Experiences, in the way you imply, derives its value from the saturation of neurons from over stimulation to the same stimulus. Hence we crave new experiences. Why would something so fundamental to brains, something arising out of physical properties of a biological organ be relevant in a non biological world. Same goes for entertainment.

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Lawjarp2 t1_it8ccx1 wrote

We are very much close to apes in social behaviour. Non biological beings won't be or rather won't need to be. If you truly paid attention to why we watch animals, you would know that

(A) There are immense parallels to us and animals. More than there ever would be between humans and post-biological society.

(B) Study of animals and plants actually helps us directly and not just satisfy our curiosity. We find cures, genetic marvels, diseases etc from animals, what do non biological entities have in common with humans. Intellect?

The difference between an ape and a human is negligible, in terms of intellect and then some, compared to a super intelligence. They would rather study something closer to them

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Lawjarp2 t1_it81vpt wrote

Fear is needed because we are limited in our mental capacity. Fear is what focuses our limited mental abilities to a task that is needed for survival. Fear is also not optimal, anxiety is literally our fear mechanism failing to work properly. But fear of death is nothing but the need to survive. It is the literal core of everything else. One can even say, it's the only thing needed and everything else is a proxy for it. If survival is all you need, is it wise to expend huge amounts of energy probing the experiences of an ape society?

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Lawjarp2 t1_it6yud5 wrote

There is nothing to be gained by simulating slightly evolved and lucky apes. We are unlikely to be in one because the post-singularity civilization, which eventually will go post-biological, will have no chemical emotions.

Edit : it's the ants man. We need to study the ants via simulation of every fundamental particle. We need to convince all the governments to spend most of our energy to study ants via simulation.

What? You think it's easier to just create a small colony in an artificial environment. Or even an entire planet? What makes you say such 'preposterous' thing bwana?

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Lawjarp2 t1_it4a2oj wrote

You are not quantifying anything. If a set of goals are linear in difficulty then exponential growth will get us to those goals in exponentially lower times. However, if the same goals are exponential in difficulty then an exponential growth could just be linear.

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Lawjarp2 t1_isrr7dz wrote

I think the graphic artist to programmer comparison is not so straightforward. Sure I can see how this version of codex, with all its limitations, seems like what artists ignored a few years ago. But unlike artists it's not easily visible when a mistake is made and not easy at all to correct it if the code is huge through natural language to a dumb AI.

If, however, someone is capable of doing that, they are already very good at coding and the AI will just augment them. Thereby, increasing productivity and fancier software is produced. There is always more tasks, more features to add, more customers to reach so there is unlikely to be a decrease in workforce. Atleast not immediately.

On the other hand, if AI is capable of doing stuff independently it's probably gonna replace a lot more than just programmers and software engineers. It is probably capable of replacing well everybody.

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Lawjarp2 t1_isq1bz0 wrote

The difference between real human imagination and this is that when we imagine, we try to focus on our experiences and find a safe place. What this does is focus on what others have said when they were asked to imagine in the training input it received.

You have given a very good example of why these LLMs are not conscious. Being able to have thoughts independent of prompt is where true AI begins. If we ever get such LLMs then we are close to AGI.

Such LLMs are hard because language/speech is not naturally occurring without humans. So multimodality is essential as well. An AI that functions only on your command is a machine, an AI that has motives/goals beyond orders is a sentient being.

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Lawjarp2 t1_irrv20b wrote

Capitalism needs capital not human labour. Robots will be working that's what fully automated means.

Communism will never work in any scenario. To think money is the cause of all issues is stupid. The problem is with people. Remove all money and power will still exist in one or other way causing the same problem. Only shit heads think it will work.

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Lawjarp2 t1_irqugdh wrote

Tech has not plateaued or rather it has but not because of what most assume. A better way to put it is that we have plateaued biologically. It's not that we can't build faster planes, travel to space etc. It's that we never bothered improving our own bodies and are becoming a bottleneck.

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Lawjarp2 t1_irqty5z wrote

If we are willing to give up on growth and accept inefficiency we can have basic necessities for free.

Food

There is no point in keeping agriculture and agricultural land in free market. Most of the countries subsidise agriculture heavily already. Take all the land, form a giant distributed drone farm network, make it compulsory for everyone to take part in it like video games. Bonus if it's fully automated or has VR.

Reason nobody does this is the massive failure of communism which tried to do the same. The difference I believe was that they still needed people and falsely assumed that money is the problem while people are always the source of problem with or without money.

Difficulty: insanely hard. Every mf who has read history will oppose it.

Shelter/Home

Stop using homes as financial instrument and fix land and home rates. A free market here also makes little sense. Some land becoming more valuable doesn't straight away help get more of the same. Sure there will eventually be more built if there is an option to. But most of the times it's just expensive because it's expensive

Difficulty: insanely hard. It will cause an economic reset

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irjsah4 wrote

It can print money from thin air. Money doesn't even matter at that point. Consumption based economy as a whole isn't meaningful anymore.

Can't you really see someone mining and building stuff when they literally own everything and have infinite labour.

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irjro6r wrote

Again ability to understand perspective doesn't make one empathic. That's a very fine distinction. People who completely lack empathy still do very well in understanding perspectives. In other words empathy can be faked rather easily because people confuse ability to care with ability to understand. It is done quite often by psychopaths.

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