Lawjarp2

Lawjarp2 OP t1_irjro6r wrote

Again ability to understand perspective doesn't make one empathic. That's a very fine distinction. People who completely lack empathy still do very well in understanding perspectives. In other words empathy can be faked rather easily because people confuse ability to care with ability to understand. It is done quite often by psychopaths.

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irjr5rn wrote

The consumers here matter. Because they are the producers of something else. If everything was just based on demand then no one would have less than what they need. There would be no poor.

The government could still demand more weapons, better robots, more missiles etc. All of this could be met without wasting resources servicing demands of people who are irrelevant.

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irjqd0m wrote

Biological empathy is hardcode into us. It's unlikely AI will have the same. Unless we somehow add it and it doesn't remove it.

Understanding the perspective of other person isn't enough for empathy. It's just intelligence. That's how psychopaths mix so well in society.

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irjpuy7 wrote

Consumption is not a power but a liability. If you say you won't consume resources as a protest no one will care.

The whole production and consumption is to sustain a middle class that can produce better workforce to do more stuff. Without need for a middle class there is no need for a consumption based economy. As long as enough resources are being produced to keep the military going everything else can be ignored. It's a common dystopian theory. Few rich with mostly urban slum dwellers surviving off of UBI.

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irjp680 wrote

Psychopaths have problems in some brain areas and have less or no empathy. ASI/AGI will have none of it to begin with. If it's not possible to control AGI/ASI we are definitely the ants that will get stepped over. Not by malevolence but by a simple lack of empathy generally hard coded by evolution.

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irj9kbw wrote

One of the most well known tactic in protests is civil disobedience. It was used by MLK and Gandhi. Most 'protests' that we see now however are actually sanctioned and permitted by the government. Civil disobedience is when you are truly protesting against the government/regime. If essential workers stop working for a short while, farmers don't grow food for a season, power employees don't fix broken cables there will be no government. This is true leverage. This leverage comes from this intrinsic economic value these people hold.

With all work being done by robots, people no longer have economic leverage. If military and law enforcement is also robotic then there is no real power on the ground with protestors whatsoever. There is no leverage because the other side has infinite time to think. You can protest all you want but if they don't agree they can indefinitely bear your protests.

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Lawjarp2 OP t1_irj1ze2 wrote

I agree that the current political systems are not suitable. My concern is that people have no leverage in a world with AGI. Cities themselves make no sense in a world where people have no need to work. Why live in a small space in a cramped City when you can live anywhere you want?

Smaller countries might actually help. Giving hope that if any one goes rogue everyone else can quickly squash it. On the flip side, a very large rogue country can quickly overpower smaller ones. Wars are where rights are lost and this time they may never come back.

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Lawjarp2 t1_iri0iny wrote

To be fair all time all the time has been that. Wider timescales maybe but I'm pretty sure a lot of people in the past thought they were the shit. That is not problematic in itself but what's problematic is that the predictions of the future from those people tend to be over optimistic. Flying cars, space travel like in star Trek, time travel etc.

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Lawjarp2 t1_irana7q wrote

All investments will be meaningless with AGI. Having full AGI would mean infinite supply of physical and mental labour. Cost of everything should tend to zero unless some greedy people believe that they should have bigger share of resources then others.

Atleast the rich are somewhat better at managing money as of now. Making a good argument for the existence of such great wealth differences. But in a world where an AI is better then everything else would it even make sense to have some with so much more

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