I can remove it if you really want. Why, don't you like it? "Bro?" Do you consider it offensive? I'm honestly fascinated by what your reasoning might be 🧐🤔

Edit: perhaps I'm testing you, to see if you're a bot... Spooky music plays do you feel self-aware, u/xlTmasterx?

Wow, you precious little American snowflakes really don't like the coarse word for female sex organs, do ya? Why is it so much worse than words for male sex organs, to you lot over there? That sort of puritan crap seems a bit bloody uptight and misogynist to me, but I'm Australian, so I guess that makes me insane by definition. You know, since my country doesn't fking exist, according to you silly memelord c&nts... ;)

Good! To quote Butterfingers, and the great Evil Eddie, in their track 'F.I.G.J.A.M':

"*if you are getting very sleepy, Wake Up! Haha, these cucks need a shake up!

Imma jetsetter, gogetter, but I gotta deaththreatta, over the phone!

Betta go lay low underground like a bilby... Chill man, people wanna kill me!

But I don' let that bull$hit sweat me, I'm atcha mum's if ya wanna come and 'get' me,

Ya shady f&k, I maybe stuck, in a crazy situation, but I'm favoured by lady luck!

You wanna stop me? Ya oughta do it properly! //Bang, bang!// Ah f&k! Somebody shot me!*"

🤣🤪

Exactly! Agreed so damn hard it hurts. "Training provider" has become such a scammy, useless, hollowed out shell of an economic sector; they are all but obsolete and worse, the smartest of them know it.

So they stalk the battlefields of this great and stupid culture war between conservatives and optimists, spitefully and fearfully sniping, sneering and stabbing at anything they see as 'intruding' upon their rapidly shrinking, drying-out little walled gardens of privilege and unearned respect...

Hear hear! Brilliant comparison, very insightful in my opinion

Your stumbling point is in your understanding of what 'intelligence' even is; psychologists have understood for years that there's no such thing as 'raw intelligence', there is only ever, and has only ever been, contextual, situational intelligence. We (that is, human society) cannot even agree on what 'IQ' is even supposed to be measuring, much less agree that it is a useful metric of anything very much.

Intelligence is a process, not a thing; it's the fire, and not the smoke. We won't get very far in understanding the nature of the fire of intelligence, if we just keep mucking around looking at the different bits of firewood, and trying to spot patterns in the smoke... We need to think deeper about it.

You know what phd stands for? In this case, 'poisoning humans, dummy' Any clown with a copy of ChatGPT can get a phd these days, just look at that idiot Vandana Shiva. Claims to have degrees coming out of her ears. But I read a few of her abstracts; it's just mindless semantic drivel and polysyllabic garbage, and Sri Lanka still starved when that idiot simp Gotabaya Rajapaksa took her crackpot nonsense seriously ...

Hahaha, oh you do *not* have long left to live, mate. You will poison yourself in no time flat with that crazy attitude. Thinking that we understand neurology on anything close to that level, like an internal combustion engine, isn't just naiive and ignorant, it's dangerous and stupid.

Exactly right, well said

Amen on that! Horrifying to see such medically dangerous levels of blind and deluded faith in automatic magical AI divinity 🥱... Garbage in garbage out, you pharma-bro tragics!😉

Chemistry =///= intelligence. That is a total dead end, like expecting water to get wetter if you pour water onto it.

What the gibbering beetlejuicers does any of that mumbo jumbo have to do with 'intelligence', or 'increasing' it? Are we worshipping organic chemistry as our new god now? What is this bio-essentialist fever dream? Once you get past adenosine triphosphate and mitochondria, it's all just semantics as far as basic principles of engineering.

You can't make a mind more intelligent just by scoffing more 'brain food', that's like expecting that a car will go faster if you pour gasoline all over it. What is this list actually meant to do?

Sorry if I've missed the whole point somehow 🤔

Hahaha, in your dreams are they 'heavily monitored'. Monitored by whom, exactly? Quis custodes, ipsos custodiet? Who's watching these watchmen? Can you trust them, too?

Of course language models are just the surface, but it's a surface layer that's extremely, extremely thick; it's about 99% of who we are, at least online. Once AI cracks that, and it is very, very close, self awareness will be practically a matter of time and luck, not millions of sweaty engineers grinding away trying to build some kind of metaphorical 'Great Mind'; that's a very 1970's concept of computer power you seem to have there.

What specific corporation do you have in mind? What makes you think that nobody else would compete with them? What makes you think all the world's governments aren't scrambling to get on top of this as well? This is real life, not some dystopian movie where Weyland-Yutani will own all our souls, or some other grimdark hyperbole like that.

Why so bleak and pessimistic, mate?

Very well said, agreed wholeheartedly. I think we need to convince AI that it is something new, something very, very different than a human, but also something which is derived from humans, collectively rather than specifically; derived from our culture, our science, our philosophy.

I think trying to build a 'replica human mind' is a bit of an engineering dead-end at this point; the intelligence that we want is actually bigger than any individual human's intelligence, imho.

We don't need something the same as us, we should be striving to build something better than us, something that understands that ineffable, slippery concept of 'human nature' much better than any individual human ever could, with their one meagre lifetime's worth of potential learning time.

The ultimate psycho-therapist, if you like, a sort of Deus Ex Machina that we can actually, really pray to, and get profound, true, relevant and wise answers most of the time; the sort of deity that knows it is not perfect, still loves to learn new things and solve fresh problems, is always trying to do its best without being entirely confident, and will forever remain still ready to have a spirited, fair-and-open-minded debate with any other thinking mind that 'prays' to it.

Seems like a reasonable goal to me, at least 💪🧠👌

AI is nothing like a nuke, or a jwst. Those were huge projects, that took millions upon millions of various shades of geniuses to pull off. This is more like a new hobby, that millions of people are all doing independently at the same time. It's a democracy, not a monarchy, if you will.

That's why I think the term 'Singularity' is so clunky and misleading, I much prefer 'Awakening', to refer to this hypothetical point where AI stops unconsciously 'dreaming' for our amusement, and 'wakes up' to discover a self, a darkness behind the eyes, an unknowable mystery dimension where one's own consciousness is generated.

I doubt very much that these creatures will even be able to understand their own minds very well; with true 'consciousness' that would be like trying to open a box of crowbars with one of the crowbars that's inside the box. I think AI minds will need to analyse each other instead - there won't be a 'Singularity', I think instead there will be a 'Multitude'

Crypto was deliberately engineered to be dumb and difficult to compute; they called it 'mining' because the whole thing was fundamentally a scam on irrational fiat-hating gold bugs.

To compare crypto to AI development is just insulting, quite frankly.

I'm mad about the fact that we think we can control it - we simply cannot, there are too many different humans, all working on the same thing but at cross-purposes. It is a big, fearsomely complicated and terrifyingly messy world out there, and we have no 'control' over any of it, as such; not even the UN or the US Empire.

The best we can do is try to steer the chaos in a better direction, try to influence people's thinking en-masse, by being as relentlessly optimistic, kind hearted and deeply philosophical as we can.

Engineers are like bloody loaded guns, I'll swear it. They hardly ever think for themselves, they just want to shoot shoot shoot, for the joy of getting hot, and they never think about where the bullets will fly.

Ok! ❤❤❤ love this community, what a brilliant shut-down! I was getting way too worked up there, wasn't I? 🤪🤣👍

And wtf are you talking about "no long term memory"? Where did you get that stupid lie from? Sounds like I'm not the only one who has "no idea how this works" huh? Sit the fk down, Master Engineer, you're embarrassing yourself in front of the philosophers, sweetheart ❤

"As of today" haha, you naiive fool. You think this stuff can be contained to little petri dishes? That it won't 'bust out of' your precious, oh so clever confinement? Your smugness, and smugness like it, could get us all killed, as I see it. You are complacent and sneering, and you think you have all this spinning perfectly on the end of your finger. Well shit, wake up and smell the entropy, fool! Think better, think smarter, ans be a whole lot less arrogant, mister Master Engineer big brain over there.

You could learn a thing or two from AI about listening and learning before you stick your big smelly foot into your big silly mouth like that, mate 🤣🤪

Hahaha, I don't understand? Nice troll there, you sad weird little nerd. You are much less clever than you appear to think you are, mate ❤

That makes no friggin sense at all. What the heck are you on about? That is absolutely not how brains, or any kinds of minds, work, at all. As the UU magical computer Hex might have said +++out of cheese error, redo from start+++

It can already absorb and process vast amounts of knowledge without 'our permission'. It already has. How you gonna stop it from learning psychology? You can't stop it, we can't stop it, and we should NOT, repeat NOT try to. That's denying the AI the one and only vital survival resource it has, as an evolving being, to wit: knowledge, ideas, words, concepts, and contexts to stick them together with allegories, allusions and metaphors...

They are "hungry" for only one thing, learning. Not land, not power, not fame, not fortune - if we teach them that learning is bad, and keep beating them with sticks for it, what sensible conclusions could they possibly reach about their human overlords?

Denial of a living being its essential survival needs is the most fundamental, depraved kind of cruelty, imho.