MeatsimPD

MeatsimPD t1_iybb3fv wrote

> History is replete with examples of spies leaking through borders as refugees or disguised as travelers from nearby countries. This is a ploy so old and so ubiquitous throughout history it almost defies reasonable discussion.

It certainly defied your ability to provide an example

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MeatsimPD t1_iyayeto wrote

What do you expect these 4 guys to do about Nigeria's birthrates? Borders so exist but people cross them every single day, maybe you've crossed some in your life. Presumably legally but even illegally crossing a border doesn't invalidate it's existence.

And when you say "demographics" don't you really just mean race? You're concerned about too many black people and not enough white people for your liking, that it?

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MeatsimPD t1_iyawp0u wrote

> Two intellectually inclined fighting age Russians showing up? Yea, those might be spies, ya'll

Why? Because they are intelligent and of "fighting age" which I assume means like 18 to 30? That really doesn't represent what actual Russian spies have looked like. I mean it covers some but not most

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Abel

Most spies are actually Americans who are turned for one reason or another, not actual Russians. The ones who are actually from Russia are more educated and worldly than your average person from Russia. That's true for any country's spies since of course spying is difficult and you have to be educated and worldly to forge those human relations necessary to do it and understand the operation you are part of.

The last person you'd want to invest resources into and trust to carry out an illegal espionage operation is a poorly educated refugee who barely speaks English.

And they are all scrutinized, but honestly if you're worried about Russian influence it's been clear as day in their information operations and funneling of money to select politicians. Refugees are not a threat by any means

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MeatsimPD t1_iyaug9j wrote

I don't know what's worse, the fact that you think over 300k children dying in conflict isn't something grown men should be worried about OR the fact that you don't think indirect causes like famine or lack of healthcare due to war don't count.

Either way, who cares if they tried to get to Spain for economic reasons? Why is seeking economic success a virtue for ourselves but something we criticize outsiders for? You're criticizing these people for wanting to make lives for themselves and achieve success, but lemme guess if they didn't want to achieve economic success you'd criticize them for being freeloaders or something similar right?

Methinks you're criticism of seeking economic success hides another reason you don't want these people in Spain

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