MeatsimPD
MeatsimPD t1_j94onvw wrote
Reply to comment by Whisky3 in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
Except that Donetsk and Luhansk are part of Ukraine, not Russia. And the West Bank is not part of Israel.
But of course violence against civilians is wrong, the issue needs to be solved by the governments involves not by killing or harming civilians (even if they are illegally settling outside their country)
MeatsimPD t1_j93sumo wrote
Reply to comment by freshgeardude in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
> Did a single settlement consist of kicking out Palestinians, razing it, and building a Jewish community ontop or are you going to send me articles about animals grazing or roads being put up?
I honestly believe you being deliberately obtuse if you're going to tell me it doesn't matter to people whose livelihoods is raising animals whether or not they have access to grazing lands.
But to answer your question the answer is yes, here's some examples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehelim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brukhin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modi%27in_Illit
And here are the camps many of the people who have lost their homes now live in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugee_camps
Even today Palestinian homes are being torn down https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-ramps-up-demolition-of-palestinian-homes-in-jerusalem
>Israel isn't leaving the west Bank willingly and the majority settlment blocks are never going to be evacuated.
I don't disagree, Israel's military occupation is permanent for the foreseeable future, but none of this changes the facts:
Fact 1) The West Bank is not part of Israel's territory
Fact 2) Annexing territory by force is against international law
Fact 3) Settling your citizens on seized lands outside of your state's territory is against international law.
MeatsimPD t1_j93osiy wrote
Reply to comment by freshgeardude in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
> And you're pretending the settlements are specifically displacing existing communities to move in Israeli communities. That's not happening
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/
No one can honestly say that all the land occupied by Israeli settlers was empty or unowned prior to their arrival. Honestly you've just made one of the most absurd statements about the West Bank I've ever heard, so absurd I have to believe it's a deliberate lie because no one could be so misinformed
>As for Gaza, they removed them first and have Hamas now. There's zero chance Israel is making the same mistake
Are you telling me that the rise of Hamas in Gaza is because Israel removed it's settlements?
MeatsimPD t1_j938ffe wrote
Reply to comment by freshgeardude in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
> The west Bank has never be part of a formal country
Even if this were true, it doesn't mean it's "free real estate" that any other country can just go in and settle without regard to the people who live there. Colonialism is not a thing anymore.
>Which is all to say, Israel has already shown a willingness to evacuate its citizens in exchange for peace (see: Sinai, Gaza, and proposed Golan heights).
That's true, Israel did withdraw from the Sinai and has a lasting peace with Egypt. That withdraw includes removing the settlements Israelis had established.
But Israel has not withdrawn from the Golan Heights or the West Bank, though it did withdraw from Gaza. These examples show that while removing settlements doesn't immediately lead to peace, it is a necessary pre condition.
>Additionally, Ukraine thinks of itself as Israel in the conflict, not the Palestinians
Does it? Ukraine isn't forcibly occupying territory outside its recognized borders, but Israel is
MeatsimPD t1_j92jh9s wrote
Reply to comment by Iceykitsune2 in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
> Hamas is well known for using human shields
None of the examples I cited where this, one of them was even an IDF investigation that found it has killed several children without there being a military target nearby.
I'm sensing a pattern where you aren't engaged in reality
>Do you acknowledge that some of those towns were there before the region was divided between Israel and Palestine?
Absolutely there were Jewish communities in the West Bank before 1948 or 1967 but not many. We also have a list of these settlements so you can see when they were founded
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_settlements
Note that these were built after Israel occupied the West Bank even though the West Bank is NOT Israeli territory
MeatsimPD t1_j92he0q wrote
Reply to comment by Iceykitsune2 in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
> Israel doesn't target civilians, they only bomb locations where missiles have been launched from
I mean that's demonstrably untrue, for example https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-ramps-up-demolition-of-palestinian-homes-in-jerusalem
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/27/gaza-apparent-war-crimes-during-may-fighting
Also I noticed you didn't respond to the topic of Israel's occupation and settlement outside of it's territory. Do you acknowledge that it's a crime to annex territory through force and settle your citizens in that territory? Yes or no.
MeatsimPD t1_j928zi3 wrote
Reply to comment by Iceykitsune2 in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
It's not a foreign nation unless Israel has recognized a sovereign state of Palestine. (It hasn't) and if it was a foreign nation then settling your citizens in it's territory would still be absolutely illegal under international law
And yes civilians have been targeted and have been killed by both sides in this conflict and the act of targeting civilians is immoral and illegal regardless of who is occupying who
MeatsimPD t1_j928rb6 wrote
Reply to Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
Reminder that the West Bank is not Israeli territory and it's a crime under international law to forcibly annex territory through war and to settle your citizens in that territory.
When Russia conquers a chunk of Ukraine, declares part of it it's territory, and moves in Russian citizens to settle there, it's just as illegal as Israel conquering the West Bank, declaring part of it's territory, and moving it's citizens in to settle there.
MeatsimPD t1_j928fi7 wrote
Reply to comment by Iceykitsune2 in Palestinian activist beaten by Israeli soldier tells CNN he is scared for his life. by CrackHeadRodeo
> Arab Israelis have the exact same rights as Jewish Israelis.
What about people under Israeli military occupation? Let's not forget that the West Bank and Golan Heights are not part of Israel. Yet millions of people live in these areas and are denied or refuse Israeli citizenship, including representation in government, yet live unde Israeli law (whether civil or military law)
MeatsimPD t1_j6kedie wrote
Reply to comment by sb_747 in J&J’s Talc Bankruptcy Case Thrown Out by Appeals Court by L_Cranston_Shadow
I mean what can't individuals just invent a fictional new self and offload our debts into the now non-existent old self
MeatsimPD t1_j6k8plm wrote
Dudebro McBitcoin is living good though
MeatsimPD t1_j5teqoy wrote
Reply to comment by kamikazecow in Justice Dept. sues Google over digital advertising dominance by Cyrix2k
They don't even need to break up all of Google, it's just the ad business. Though that does account for 80% of Google's profit.
Really we should call Google an advertising company not a tech company
MeatsimPD t1_j5nfvgc wrote
Reply to comment by TwevOWNED in US and Israel launch largest military exercise ever despite concerns over Netanyahu's government by Caratteraccio
Exercises can be cancelled whenever, just send a simple order to stand down and return to barracks.
And Trump definitely cancelled military exercises, though ones that were done annually for decades and not specifically planned under Obama
MeatsimPD t1_j56fjly wrote
Reply to comment by squidking78 in At least 78 people die as winter temperatures plunge in Afghanistan by 38384
Here educate yourself: https://www.sigar.mil/interactive-reports/what-we-need-to-learn/index.html
Don't come back until you've read it, I have
MeatsimPD t1_j567pu5 wrote
Reply to comment by squidking78 in At least 78 people die as winter temperatures plunge in Afghanistan by 38384
> I’m sure the people of Afghanistan were being “oppressed” by evil America, with all that money spent, the womens rights they tried to instill.
Most Afghans never saw a penny of any American money. There's no denying the US tries to do good things and accomplished a lot especially for women's rights, but the government we backed with violence wasn't legitimate to Afghans because it was corrupt and self serving. It's no surprise they didn't fight and die for it
MeatsimPD t1_j52d54x wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in DeSantis administration rejects inclusion of AP African American Studies class in Florida high schools | CNN Politics by Yevon
I'm betting you didn't learn of the full scope of slavery or it's lingering affects on the United States and the people who suffered under it. Especially if you went to school in the south where they still talk about how slave owners looked after and educated their slaves and other nonsense
MeatsimPD t1_j3tf9y1 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Colorado to stop busing migrants after pleas from NYC and Chicago mayors by callingforduty
> Shouldn't those that support open borders enthusiastically support helping migrants reach their final destination
No one supports open borders.
Maybe if Republicans stopped saying the border was open and started echoing Biden who's telling people the border isn't open and to not show up there, then we'd have less people showing up expecting it to be open https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3800810-biden-warns-migrants-do-not-just-show-up-at-the-border/
MeatsimPD t1_j3tev2b wrote
Reply to comment by HomeAloneToo in Colorado to stop busing migrants after pleas from NYC and Chicago mayors by callingforduty
> I get the struggle of having people and no resourc
Oh they have resources, that just used them to bus people out of town instead of helping them
MeatsimPD t1_j2a4a6j wrote
Reply to comment by TomSurman in This day, 100 years ago, the USSR was created by SENPA-A-A-A-I-I
Oh the Tsar was very concerned with what the peasants were up to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhrana
In the decades leading up to the overthrow of the Monarchy in 1927, there were a lot of assassination attempts on the Tsars and high ranking officials, plus numerous attempts to overthrow them. They were very much aware and interested in who was supporting or influenced by these revolutionary movements
MeatsimPD t1_j29rdto wrote
Reply to comment by eltigrechino94 in DOJ sues pharma giant AmerisourceBergen Corp. for allegedly helping to fuel the opioid epidemic by alwaysrm4hope
Most people don't realize that nearly every gun used in a crime was legally produced and sold by it's manufacture or reseller when its first sold to the general public.
America has a serious problem with companies that produce things that are too often used to commit crime or cause harm. I'd place big pharma, health insurance providers, and gun manufacturers in that category of companies designed to profit from things that too often just make people's lives worse
MeatsimPD t1_j29fmxd wrote
Reply to DOJ sues pharma giant AmerisourceBergen Corp. for allegedly helping to fuel the opioid epidemic by alwaysrm4hope
It's like guns. People assume all these things are brought into the US illegally or sold in stores illegally. Truth is that it's mostly been entirely legal and extremely profitable for pharmaceuticals and gun manufacturers to sell products that create human misery in whatever quantity they want. And instead of them being held accountable it's always the street dealer selling their product or the user that faces consequences
MeatsimPD t1_j1gzf2b wrote
Reply to comment by celebrityDick in Police hold active shooter training for LGBTQ+ venues after Club Q massacre by DragonPup
Let's hope no one gets confused on which of the dozen people with their guns out is the real shooter
MeatsimPD t1_j0iqqup wrote
Reply to Chinese doctors and nurses reportedly told to work while infected as Covid surges by Neo2199
If China would import a more effective vaccine they'd have an easier time controlling Covid, instead they insist on going with the home brew type
MeatsimPD t1_iybbaak wrote
Reply to comment by Isosceles_Kramer79 in Photo shows 3 stowaways who were rescued from oil tanker's rudder after likely 11-day ordeal by grungegoth
"invade"
Yeah I think we are getting to the heart of it. You don't want more Africans in Europe because they're culturally different and don't share the same skin color as the majority there
MeatsimPD t1_j9hrgiy wrote
Reply to Police: Alabama star Brandon Miller provided gun used in shooting of Jamae Jonae Harris by aurules
>Miller has not been charged with a crime
Of course, he was a responsible gun owner after all