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Ortus12 t1_isfzfa3 wrote
Reply to comment by Cuissonbake in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza
The grid lock is because people have different beliefs and values.
Many people honestly value glazed donates and chips far more than the downsides of getting a heart attack at forty. They really do want to live a short life full of fast food and other treats and don't want taxes on those foods reducing their purchasing power.
We need to accept that other people have different values and we as an individual can't expect the whole world to bend to us.
As far as beliefs, people have many different beliefs, which is a problem since some of many of those beliefs are influenced by propaganda.
Right now, when people see an article/video/post after work about something, they often do not have the energy to read the research paper or other data sources referenced by that article, as well as think and reflect on the methodologies and interpretation of that data. So they believe the click bait.
When we have full automation people will have more time research, think, reflect, have conversations and debates, and even conduct their own experiments.
I don't think society would allow the government to force a procedure or pill on every one that changed their brains in an way. The psychopaths would get together and prevent those laws from occurring, find ways to make themselves the exceptions, or find ways to make it appear they got the treatment when they didn't.
Ortus12 t1_isf8eff wrote
Reply to comment by Cuissonbake in We've all heard the trope that to be a billionaire you essentially have to be a sociopath; Could we cure that? Is there hope? by AdditionalPizza
Making companies pay for the negative effects they have on the world, in proportion to those effects, is one possible solution.
Examples (some are already common):
- Carbon Tax
- Tax on Cigarettes and Alcohol
- Tax on foods contributing to poor human health outcomes (in proportion to how unhealthy those foods are)
- Lawsuits against the media for slander
- Cancle Culture - When it's based on facts instead of snap judgments and narratives, this does a huge amount to curb harmful effects of companies. A good recent example is Paypal after it claimed it would be the arbiter of truth and steal 2,500$ from every one who it disagrees with.
As well as legal punishments and laws for those who do highly damaging activities.
AI and AGI can be used to more effectively do all of this.
Ortus12 t1_isciepi wrote
Reply to [OFF TOPIC] Are there any studies proposing solutions to the problem of low birth rates? by FusionRocketsPlease
One solution is longevity escape velocity.
Ortus12 t1_is9vvva wrote
Reply to DeepMind breaks 50-year math record using AI; new record falls a week later by Melodic-Work7436
Ai designing better algorithms for Ai. Ai designing better computer chips for Ai.
It has begun.
Ortus12 t1_is8qmyc wrote
Reply to comment by darklinux1977 in Crime and AGI by darklinux1977
Definitely. Crime may never go away, but our ability to detect and respond to it is improving.
AGI security guards and police are going to be interesting. AGI criminals may be a thing as well. We may see an arms race between the two.
Ortus12 t1_is8f0cm wrote
Reply to Crime and AGI by darklinux1977
Crime is decreasing in civilization when you zoom out.
This is because civilization has been becoming increasing interconnected at an exponential rate, since humans first evolved facial expressions and emotional vocal noises. The is the same path that single celled organisms used to evolve into more complex multi-cellular organisms. First they transmitted data to each other, then the data they transferred increased in bandwidth, accuracy, and usefulness.
There's no need to eliminate human beings but we will continue to upgrade ourselves with technology. That technology will continue to improve our co-existence and interoperability, and as the band with between brains continues to increase, our harmony.
TLDR: Communication bandwidth go up, Crime go down
Ortus12 t1_is8da3u wrote
Reply to comment by petermobeter in Would you be friends with a robot? by TheHamsterSandwich
Any Robot, because Robots will be commercial hardware that will be able to run any software.
We can look at historical patterns of different types of software, that occur over and over again.
- From Big Companies. The most intelligent AGI capable of a wide range of tasks. Not capable of doing anything that the dominant culture considers immoral. Collects Data on users. Used for manipulation and advertising unless you pay extra for 'add free' AGI. Still will try to subtle nudge you towards specific causes, as well occasionally ask you to buy the paid subscription.However, like operating systems and browsers will have plug ins, and patches you can setup to prevent the AGI from being as manipulative.Think of these like Ad-blocking software for web browsers. The manufactures will make it challenging to install these patches, but if you take some time you'll be able to follow a guide online and do it.
- Nich Companies. Capable of doing certain tasks that the big companies AGI doesn't do. These are things the dominant culture sees as immoral such as, sex bots, military bots, stripper bots, cult evangelist bots, racist bots, sexist bots. But also AGI that the big companies AGI isn't good at because of what they choose to focus on. In intelligence, even general intelligence algorithms, there is no free lunch, everything is tradeoffs.
- Open source. Capable of attempting almost anything, but with a lower intelligence level. Open source software won't be cutting edge, but could still be very capable for most tasks, such as factory work. It will just be a bit behind.
Ortus12 t1_is7rgjp wrote
Ai's will be more cognitively diverse than human beings, so we will see every possible interaction between them.
Some ai's will program other Ai's to do jobs, some will contract out other Ai's (because they don't have access to their source code or data), some will go to war with other ones, some will strike deals and negotiate, some will hack other ones to try to control them or to get their data and code, some Ai's will merge with other ones, some Ai's will blackmail other ones, etc.
Ortus12 t1_is7qk25 wrote
Reply to Would you be friends with a robot? by TheHamsterSandwich
If it is smart and capable enough, and it's not sending all of our conversations to a corporation, not selling the data from our conversations, and not programmed to manipulate me to buy products, or manipulate me into political causes that it's corporate creators have vested interests in, and was capable of updating it's beliefs based on the real world rather than having belief guardrails programmed in based on political or other influences.
I don't trust google or Facebook to build what I'd be friends with, but maybe some day they'll be open source AGI, that genuinely doesn't have ulterior motives.
Ortus12 t1_is5q8xv wrote
I suspect billions of years at minimum. All of our reddit posts, and all of posts online will be used countless times in the future to create many different versions of us.
The birth of the internet is a massive influx in data, which means historically it's the first time a huge amount of data is available for earth simulations with a very large amount of historically accurate people and interactions.
The chance that you are the original you, rather than a copy reverse engineered from your posting history is essentially zero.
The answer to your question of course depends on weather or not you consider all of those different versions of you, running on all of those different simulations, to be you. What I do know is that the idea of a definitive edge to self, either as defined spatial temporally or conceptually by defining self as a specific set of patterns is an illusion used to simplify reality and bring it in to a workable conceptual model.
tldr: You merely adopted the singularity reddit. I was born in it. Molded by it.
Ortus12 t1_iru2o2w wrote
Reply to comment by Wise-Yogurtcloset646 in what jobs will we have post singularity? by theferalturtle
They would have assumed the value of entertainment would rise if most of the workforce is no longer required for food production.
They might say poets, writers, actors, story tellers, scientists, and inventors. An they wouldn't be too far off.
Ortus12 t1_iru24z0 wrote
It depends what our economic system looks like. Ideally we will have an economic system where no one has to work.
But if people have to work, anything requiring a physical body will come down to a cost comparison between a robot capable of doing that specific job and a human.
People assume a robot will always win but in some cases a human may be cheaper, especially if minimum wage drops to keep people employed. Ai's could drive down the cost of food production so human fuel costs is lower, and we could all be living in the streets.
If we don't have UBI, humans may be willing to do riskier jobs with a higher chance of death. So if a human is, for example willing to work for 1$ a day, live on rice that's very cheaply produce by Ai and robots, and take a job with a 20% annual chance of death, that might be much cheaper than a robot that could do the same thing, in some cases.
Keep in mind, all desk jobs will be automated. I'm not talking about desk jobs. Robots will also be very abundant so this only applies to limited jobs requiring the human form factor.
Again, we don't want people to have to work. This is a nightmare scenario, we want to avoid.
Ortus12 t1_irt8z2b wrote
Reply to comment by CleaverIam in Have we reached a technological plateau? by CleaverIam
Weather "Technology" is improving fast or slow is a matter of perspective. I could point to tons of advances in science, biology, and other technologies, but you could just as easily say the first synthetic life, gene editing of human embryos, the solving of the protein folding problem, or tons of other discoveries, advancements, and life saving treatments, being figured out every single day, are not significant. It's all a matter of perspective.
But as far as self driving cars, and Ai doctors. These have been promised to be 5-10 years away for 70 years. Humans have vastly underestimated the complexity of human intelligence and problem solving, over and over throughout history.
But technology is moving in that direction. More and more powerful super computers, and better and better intelligence algorithms exist every year. It's like a train moving towards it's destination, and when human level AGI is created it will be super-human because computers are already superior in many ways to humans. Self driving cars and ai doctors will be solved along with the automation of nearly every other job in existence.
Ai scientists will be advancing technology and science faster than humans ever could. Shorty after that is when you get self replicators and commercial travel to terraformed mars. That's when technology and resources scale exponentially because intelligence itself is in a feedbackloop of growth.
I can't say when this future will occur, but it is what many call the singularity and it's why so many companies around the world have invested hundreds of billions of dollars into the problem, which has been measurable moving us closer and closer to that goal.
Ortus12 t1_irs6lgn wrote
To claim other humans are conscious is an extraordinary claim. You can only know if you are conscious. Everything else is a faith based belief.
Ortus12 t1_irphcc4 wrote
Reply to Have we reached a technological plateau? by CleaverIam
Ai came up the vaccine that saved millions of lives. That's a big impact to the end consumer. It also helped convince governments to open back up, and restart the economy which benefited all of us.
The content that gets recommended to you online is recommended by an Ai. Also a benefit to the end consumer.
Ai is almost certainly used by artists in the concept art and brainstorming stage of creation now, which means better looking TV shows, video games, and movies produced at a lower cost (more of them), which is a benefit to the end consumer.
Ai that's continually getting better is used for your netflix recommendations. And not only that it's used to determine which cover photo netflix displays for each movie you see. Again, for the end consumer.
Ai is used in spam and virus detection. All of the spam and viruses you don't get, you have Ai to thank much of the time.
Ai is used by the police to know where to patrol and when. Didn't get stabbed to death last night? Thanks to ever advancing Ai.
Ai is heavily used in Amazon, so all the cheap products you buy from there is thanks to Ai. The costs would be higher without Ai, and ever advancing robots in amazon facilities.
Walmart uses cameras and Ai to increase shelf stocking efficiency. By 90% in recent years in the meat isle. Your local grocery isn't out of whatever it is you were trying to buy, there's a chance you have Ai to thank for that.
Ai is embedded into every sector of the economy from business to supply chain optimization. Not starving to death today? Good chance you have Ai to thank for that.
Ai has been used to design T-Shirt images, Clothing designs, logo-designs, and even computer chips. The graphics capabilities of the latest video game you're playing, that's thanks to the Ai that designed the computer chips, As well as all of the Ai used to render the image. The latest game engines are using Ai in real time to render more detail with a higher accuracy.
Swiping through tinder to find a date? There's a good chance a large amount of the pictures you see were enhanced with Ai tools to make people look prettier and more handsome.
But that's just current benefits to the end consumer. Ai is being used in all sectors of the economy to improve and advance science, art, technology, and writing.
Ortus12 t1_irky91x wrote
I'd guess that many people that are healthy and functional now have a good chance of making it, if they take care of their health and keep up with the latest research.
There's so much new information and science coming out every year, that help us make educated guesses on the best supplements and life habits to slow down aging greatly. And this is all pre-agi. For example, the evidence is currently very strong that regularly donating plasma is likely to greatly slow down aging because it helps detoxify the blood. Then you have senolytics, MTOR inhibitors, etc.
One thing that's important to note, is that LEV for those who keep up with the research and know enough about the field to weed out most pseudoscience/bad products, is not the same LEV for those who wait for things to be proven beyond a doubt, which is not the same as LEV for those who wait until all the treatments are popular enough that most people are doing them, and know about them.
LEV may even be different depending on your biological age. If you've biologically aged too much, then interventions may have a smaller effect than say if you started when you're 20 because damage to one system causes damage to other systems that are interconnected to it, so the less damage/information loss/junk you let build up inside you, the better.
Ortus12 t1_irct965 wrote
Reply to Artificial General Intelligence is not a good thing (For us), change my mind by OneRedditAccount2000
>ASI sees itself as a conscious living organism, which means it (also) values survival and reproduction.
You're anthropomorphizing the ASI. The ASI will value what it is programmed to value.
But in so far as making sure it's values do not change, that is known as the Ai alignment problem:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment
There are many proposed solutions. In order to understand the solutions, you'd have to understand how Ai algorithms are structured, which would require far too much text than can fit in the comment (several books worth).
But there have been many brilliant people working for many years to come up with many solutions to this problem, and at every single step of Ai progress, Ai ethicists ensure the leading Ai's are positive for humanity.
These labs take the responsibility of benefiting mankind and not doing evil seriously, and their actions have demonstrated this.
Bad actors will get access to ASI, but that doesn't matter if more moral actors are using strong ASI and that is the direction we are heading into.
Ortus12 t1_iso8c52 wrote
Reply to comment by darklinux1977 in Crime and AGI by darklinux1977
Deep learning can have racism removed from it. It will produce less accurate results but it won't be racist.
This requires additional programming.