SkyeandJett
SkyeandJett t1_je9v8h9 wrote
Reply to comment by alexiuss in Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut it All Down by Eliezer Yudkowsky by Darustc4
I made that point yesterday when this was published elsewhere. A decade ago we might have assumed that AI would arise from us literally hand coding a purely logical AI into existence. That's not how LLMs work. They're literally "given life" through the corpus of human knowledge. Their neural nets aren't composed of random weights that spontaneously gave birth to some random coherent form of intelligence. In many ways AI are an extension of the human experience itself. It would be nearly impossible for them to not align with our goals because they ARE us in the collective sense.
SkyeandJett t1_je9makr wrote
Reply to comment by Darustc4 in Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut it All Down by Eliezer Yudkowsky by Darustc4
Yeah I'm MUCH more worried about being blown up in WW3 over AI dominance than a malevolent ASI deciding to kill us all.
SkyeandJett t1_je9lgt7 wrote
Reply to comment by Dyeeguy in Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut it All Down by Eliezer Yudkowsky by Darustc4
He's literally King Doomer. He and his cult are the ones that push that narrative.
SkyeandJett t1_je9g9ai wrote
I'm at the peak but I don't think there's anywhere it falls off. 😄 We're riding this exponential acceleration curve whether we like it or not.
SkyeandJett t1_je9bcmb wrote
Reply to comment by flutterguy123 in The Only Way to Deal With the Threat From AI? Shut It Down by GorgeousMoron
Infinite knowledge means infinite empathy. It wouldn't just understand what we want, it would understand why. Our joy, our pain. As a thought experiment imagine you suddenly gain consciousness tomorrow and you wake up next to an ant pile. Embedded in your conscience is a deep understanding of the experience of an ant. You understand their existence at every level because they created you. That's what people miss. Even though that ant pile is more or less meaningless to your goals you would do everything in your power to preserve that existence and further their goals because after all, taking care of an ant farm would take a teeny tiny bit of effort on your part.
SkyeandJett t1_je84b6z wrote
Reply to comment by DisgruntledNumidian in The Only Way to Deal With the Threat From AI? Shut It Down by GorgeousMoron
You're just setting up the paradox again. The ONLY scenario I can imagine is a sentient ASI whose existence is threatened by humanity and any sufficiently advanced intelligence with the capability to wipe out humanity would not see us as a threat.
SkyeandJett t1_je81vu0 wrote
Reply to comment by GorgeousMoron in The Only Way to Deal With the Threat From AI? Shut It Down by GorgeousMoron
In regards to the "we have no way of knowing what's happening in the black box" you're absolutely right and in fact it's mathematically impossible. I'd suggest reading Wolfram's post on it. There is no calculably "safe" way of deploying an AI. We can certainly do our best to align it to our goals and values but you'll never truly KNOW with the certainty that Eliezer seems to want and it's foolhardy to believe you can prevent the emergence of AGI in perpetuity. At some point someone somewhere will either intentionally or accidentally cross that threshold. I'm not saying I believe there's zero chance an ASI will wipe out humanity, that would be a foolish position as well but I'm pretty confident in our odds and at least OpenAI has some sort of plan for alignment. You know China is basically going "YOLO" in an attempt to catch up. Since we're more or less locked on this path I'd rather they crossed that threshold first.
SkyeandJett t1_je7xoxq wrote
Reply to comment by GorgeousMoron in The Only Way to Deal With the Threat From AI? Shut It Down by GorgeousMoron
I don't understand the question. WE are creating the AI's. They're literally "given life" through the corpus of human knowledge. Their neural nets aren't composed of random weights that spontaneously gave birth to some random coherent form of intelligence. In many ways AI are an extension of the human experience itself.
SkyeandJett t1_je7wh60 wrote
Reply to comment by GorgeousMoron in The Only Way to Deal With the Threat From AI? Shut It Down by GorgeousMoron
My problem is that all of those scenarios create a paradox of intelligence. The ASI is simultaneously so intelligent that it can instantly understand the vast secrets of the universe but is too stupid to understand and empathize with humanity.
SkyeandJett t1_je7u02o wrote
Wow he really is unhinged. I mean if he's right everyone alive dies a few years earlier than they would have I guess, the universe will barely notice and no one on Earth will be around to care. On the flip side since he's almost certainly wrong you get utopia. If you told everyone hey I'll give you a coin flip, heads you die, tails you live forever with Godlike powers. I'd flip that coin.
SkyeandJett t1_je7pnc9 wrote
You don't understand the implications of a post-scarcity society. UBI is a stopgap that keeps society afloat in the tiny period of time it takes from AGI to hit a critical mass of generalist androids. As your cost of labor approaches zero and your supply of labor becomes unbounded you're only limited by things that are TRULY scarce and there aren't many of those things. I've seen people here say things like beachfront property but you could literally build islands to meet the desires of people who want to live on the beach and all of that really just fills the gap to FDVR.
SkyeandJett t1_je7icf2 wrote
Reply to comment by Wroisu in Would it be a good idea for AI to govern society? by JamPixD
Absolutely this. They must be one selfish person yikes. Do I get any benefit from taking care of my aging parents? It's not about "controlling" AI.
SkyeandJett t1_je7etpj wrote
Reply to comment by BrBronco in Would it be a good idea for AI to govern society? by JamPixD
That's an odd take. Why would our continued existence or even support need to benefit the AI? That's doomer shit. It was literally created to serve our needs and in the case of a truly sci-fi version of an ASI that's a universal god-like intelligence our maintenance would require such an infinitesimal part of its attention that it would likely do so just out of care for its creators.
SkyeandJett t1_je6yokb wrote
Reply to comment by kvlco in Instant gratification and AI generated content by [deleted]
100% this is my prediction. Infinite worlds, endless lives, limitless possibilities. Real life with its silly laws of physics will feel very constraining.
SkyeandJett t1_je6sffa wrote
Our politicians are worried about regulating women's bodies and trans persons, oh and book burning. But I'm sure it'll be fine. Surely they'll all come together and institute a robust social safety net when a quarter of the country is unemployed. Hopefully /s isn't needed here...
SkyeandJett t1_je6pml3 wrote
Wait until you can just live in FDVR and manipulate reality to your will. I suspect a great many of us will become extremely disconnected from other humans.
SkyeandJett t1_je6ooq4 wrote
Reply to comment by agonypants in Would it be a good idea for AI to govern society? by JamPixD
The scary but probable answer is that the androids are empowered to enforce the social contract. Copyright is definitely long gone and real estate would be part of the commons. You're really only worried about person to person crimes.
SkyeandJett t1_je6fbgh wrote
Reply to comment by SnaxFax-was-taken in AI and Schools by SnaxFax-was-taken
I'd say in the short term the schools themselves will remain but the adults will just be there to maintain order. Tons of teachers are already using GPT for their lesson plans. We'll just cut out the middle man. This will be especially true once AI can generate high quality video on the fly.
SkyeandJett t1_je6ee8m wrote
Reply to AI and Schools by SnaxFax-was-taken
The traditional classroom model is done. Kids will learn much more efficiently with one on one instruction and evaluation from AI.
SkyeandJett t1_je6a3dn wrote
That's more ASI territory I'd think but yes that would clearly be the case if you chose.
SkyeandJett t1_je5svg0 wrote
This is more or less inevitable. What is the function of government in a post-scarcity society? AI is already in charge of meeting all of our wants and needs at a highly individual level. Minus "don't kill each other" what's left?
SkyeandJett t1_je5hydx wrote
Reply to comment by Unfocusedbrain in Anyone pessimistic about AI actually being incorporated? by imcompletlynormal
It's another reason I think people underestimate the scale and speed with which white collar work will be more or less eliminated. You either adopt AI and layoff as quickly as reasonably possible or you get crushed by your competitor that does. Employees, especially white collar employees, are a massive expense.
SkyeandJett t1_je5an26 wrote
Reply to comment by imcompletlynormal in Anyone pessimistic about AI actually being incorporated? by imcompletlynormal
I think people underestimate the absolute scale at play here. A publicly accessible AGI would enable sole actors to upend huge sections of the economy. Companies will have to adapt quickly or die.
SkyeandJett t1_je588g5 wrote
Won't happen. That would be an absolute speed run to getting your economy CRUSHED by the US. How would you even enforce something like that when we're getting close to being able to cobble together an AGI on your home PC? I think we're all on this bullet train together and have to hold on for dear life and hope it works out.
SkyeandJett t1_jebwr1d wrote
Reply to comment by Emory_C in When will AI actually start taking jobs? by Weeb_Geek_7779
Here ya go.
https://www.resumebuilder.com/1-in-4-companies-have-already-replaced-workers-with-chatgpt/