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bumharmony t1_ix7ms8m wrote
It only begs the question what truth is, since that can only be pointed out with a true sentence. Truth is a contract that something is true. Surely we can say that x is the longest river of y but we can disagree about the limits of that state y which would shake that assertation. Nothing is true means just that there is no obligating contract about the subject matter at hand. Observations would still be there but their metaphysical implications and the affective power would (if x tgen i need to think/do y) not be agreed upon.
bumharmony t1_iwheuj2 wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in Why Scientific Progress in Ethics Is Frozen by DirtyOldPanties
W t f are you talking about?
We need to know how much there are resources in order to articulate a pareto efficient distribution of them. What makes you to distort everything that has value and is the easiest part to grasp of the subject matter?
bumharmony t1_iwgz48d wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in Why Scientific Progress in Ethics Is Frozen by DirtyOldPanties
So the amount of rsources is not a physical matter question? It is literally the first question of justice.
bumharmony t1_iwfrsh3 wrote
Reply to comment by Ok_Meat_8322 in Why Scientific Progress in Ethics Is Frozen by DirtyOldPanties
The Pareto calculation is present in any normative ethical theory for example.
bumharmony t1_iwfrmsb wrote
Reply to comment by ladz in Why Scientific Progress in Ethics Is Frozen by DirtyOldPanties
It can and it should. It can count all the resources and possibilities and define what is feasible.
bumharmony t1_ive5sdb wrote
Reply to comment by Until_Morning in Michael Shermer argues that science can determine many of our moral values. Morality is aimed at protecting certain human desires, like avoidance of harm (e.g. torture, slavery). Science helps us determine what these desires are and how to best achieve them. by Ma3Ke4Li3
It just means that we are not to ponder whether there is a ready ethical code somewhere in historical texts, in nature or religious texts that wait for our discovery. Ethics are constructed as a social contract although Kant is sometimes seen as a proponent of moral realism, that there is ready moral principle for all and you just need to *understand it correctly*, which leads to circularism and fideism.
It just means that philosophy is aporematic, that is, it starts from the discovery of a conflict and attempts to resolve that conflict, not from bibliophilic motives for example. Specific fields of study, like that of theology, can be a mere hobby, but philosophy can not be a hobby I think.
bumharmony t1_ivak0wl wrote
Reply to Michael Shermer argues that science can determine many of our moral values. Morality is aimed at protecting certain human desires, like avoidance of harm (e.g. torture, slavery). Science helps us determine what these desires are and how to best achieve them. by Ma3Ke4Li3
Ethics starts from that ethical judgments become conflicted, not from alleged ”ethical agnosticism”.
For example we don’t ponder whether theft is wrong somehow in general but how to solve situations where people have different ideas of theft.
bumharmony t1_iv9b8np wrote
Reply to comment by fitzroy95 in "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
Why are you not able to comprehend the difference between moral judgments regarding social justice and individual identity? This actually sums up the communitarian thinking that poses that the methodological neutral subject is both too thin and thick to make a theory. But if you deconstruct moral judgments regarding the division of property that are a political thing not part of individual belief, you don’t need to touch personal history or identity.
Although in some cases as in the idea of american citizenship some moral judgments are part of one’s identity. But this is like a poisoned well that only poisons its drinker farer and farer away from reality. Not good.
bumharmony t1_iv7t4dj wrote
Reply to comment by fitzroy95 in "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
How is it a blank state? People would be as they are, unlike assumed in those academic thought experiments. They just need to revise their moral judgments, not pretend to be suffering from a collective amnesia which is a view from nowhere. The real problem of politics is that we know that the box of statism is not right but we don’t want to step out of it. So here we are, always carrying our blind spot of judgment.
bumharmony t1_iv7p83l wrote
Reply to comment by fitzroy95 in "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
Before rules is the moral apriori viewpoint for the inductive process of discovering a coherent set of rules. Also only such a system can truly be voluntary, something the libertarian and the capitalist would agree on. If you start from an existing set of rules that would be illogical potentially. It is like assuming that the moon is cheese and building the rest of the theory regarding the cosmos in an incorrect manner around that assumption.
bumharmony t1_iv7k8s5 wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
And under capitalism one trespassing is not cooperating and gets shot. It seems to be a feature of every system that those not cooperating as the official principle says, will get locked up. And when they cannot be fit into cells, they are put into camps!
bumharmony t1_iv7jxm7 wrote
Reply to comment by fitzroy95 in "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
Which system sounds more shelfish to you:
One person owns everything
Or
All persons own their share?
Given that they are to decide before the existence of any rules. Measured in Paretian terms.
bumharmony t1_iv7jmsp wrote
Reply to comment by TheManInTheShack in "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
So system x is bad because it is not x or people don’t live according to its principles? I’m not much assured.
bumharmony t1_iv6gvbv wrote
Reply to comment by Key-Object-4657 in "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
Saying capitalism is behind advancements is the same as saying unemployment is behind advancements.
bumharmony t1_iv5d4ae wrote
Reply to "A socialist society has no room for parties or trade unions. [...] The struggle is for the simultaneous abolition of both market and production relations, [...]for the abolition of the differences in the working class brought about by the capitalist division of labor." by Maxwellsdemon17
Sure. People compete, but who makes the rules of that competition. And don’t give me the all american bullshit answer that it is the markets, duh!
bumharmony t1_iu51cag wrote
Reply to comment by 1twoC in Even if they never get it right, philosophers should at least aim at getting it right because getting it right can be important. by thenousman
And those philosophers who only know one truth or claim not to know anything?
bumharmony t1_iu3tlgh wrote
Reply to comment by simonperry955 in The morality of fairness by simonperry955
We have not lived only to fulfill some ambiguous ”need” for millions of years now.
Also ethical naturalism and nonmoralism have been dead for a long time if they ever even were alive.
bumharmony t1_ityw11l wrote
Reply to comment by simonperry955 in The morality of fairness by simonperry955
That would still be part of the subsequent ex post interpretation.
bumharmony t1_ituef0a wrote
Reply to comment by simonperry955 in The morality of fairness by simonperry955
Empathy in the (making the) rules of distributive justice. Not in the execution or interpretation of them ex post.
bumharmony t1_itrrw84 wrote
Reply to comment by simonperry955 in The morality of fairness by simonperry955
I was talking about empathy in the rules of distribution not in the case of accidental charity to which we should not leave our distribution in any case.
Surely all kind of authorities ”give” all sorts of things or make me ”deserve” them of which both seem arrogant and narcissistic, if not transparently calculated.
bumharmony t1_itr95q2 wrote
Reply to The morality of fairness by simonperry955
How the hell is the golden rule supposed to solve any conflict where cooperative benefits are inevitably unequally distributed? What benefits are even cooperatively produced so that the distribution of them can be dependant on the participation in cooperation.
But yeah how does empathy work in general? Does the rich take the shoes of the poor or does he take the shoes of the poor in the shoes of the rich?
Shaming can be used opportunistically for the pursuit of any aim. From the viewpoint of autonomy we should not seek for honor because it depends on others.
bumharmony t1_isnzphx wrote
Reply to Adam Smith is thought to have held a labor theory of value. Philosopher Eric Schliesser explains why that's not quite the case. by [deleted]
What does it matter if x thinks y or does not? Is this philosophical bibliophilia or philosophy?
bumharmony t1_irnfxye wrote
Reply to "[Moral] theories started out on the wrong foot, by treating morality and immorality as intrinsic to the actions themselves, instead of our responses to them." Philosopher Alex Rosenberg on whether moral disputes can be resolved by [deleted]
I believe such stance does not come from moral philosophy but from positivism who tries to skirt everything according to observatory science.
bumharmony t1_irebnb8 wrote
Reply to You are not obliged to vote, and maybe shouldn't. An argument from analogy. by SilasTheSavage
The problem is that voting is about opinions and political philosophy about knowledge. Ofcourse ”politics” is merely a petty little play as we know it. It has no equivalent in philosophy.
bumharmony t1_ix7n3xx wrote
Reply to comment by BipolarVehement in My positive nihilist’s take on some deep meta questions in life. Welcome feedbacks and counter arguments by Michael23-Hyh
Yeah that is pessimism. In nihilism there is no room for that but it is the opposite even, loving that everything is as it is.