koreamax

koreamax t1_j6w332s wrote

It's kinda funny how much dehumanizing people do that are defending this, without even knowing. Assuming that all of them are from warzones and are only safe in the US.

There's a reason so many towns in Central America have so few men. They all come here to make money to send to their family. That's fine, but if the situation was really that dire, they wouldn't leave their children there.

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koreamax t1_j6tw1mp wrote

I grew up in Sf and hope nyc doesn't become like that. The reason it can be so hyper liberal is that you have to be rich to live there. All the super progressives are so generous with their ideology because the thought of needing public assistance themselves never enters the equation. It's just something to pat themselves on the back. They don't care HOW these programs are run because their empathy is fake and they feel above it

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koreamax t1_j6ojtku wrote

I didn't blame the workers. Them not being there likely contributed to the death of the newborn, but they are striking and that's completely not their fault. You're making sweeping generalizations about what a management team is given the power to do and oversimplifying the process of reallocation of staff and funds. Especially when we're talking about highly specialized departments

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koreamax t1_j6oi9wo wrote

Sounds like you're unwilling to entertain the idea that this issue might be more complex than "management bad and greedy." I provided several reasons why this goes beyond management not having the foresight to hire temporary nurses in anticipation for the strike. You just chose to immediately downvote and disregard what I said. If someone provides an argument against your points and all you can say is I'm wrong, you clearly aren't very confident in what you're saying.

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koreamax t1_j6o9yub wrote

It is a tough place to be in. I agree. I just don't know if the maternity ward is the top priority in terms of vulnerable patients. Had the cancer center been understaffed and someone died, people blaming management would say they should have reallocated staff there, then the maternity ward would be understaffed. I'm having trouble understanding why the concept of limited resources is so difficult to grasp for people in this thread.

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koreamax t1_j6o9k52 wrote

I don't think you read what I wrote, and you repeated what was said before. The argument you're making essentially says that there is an unlimited amount of nurses ready to work, and the hospital has the budget to hire at a premium. I'm assuming the follow up argument will be that the hospital should stop paying administration so much, but that isn't what we are talking about.

Should there be fundamental changes in the pay structure in these hospitals? Probably. Is that relevant? No. Management doesn't just manage its staff, it manages its budget and is working with its limited funds to find replacement staffing. They don't have the power to just pay temporary staff whatever they want. If it goes over budget, that's an issue that is blamed on management. What exactly are they supposed to do if they are unable to staff departments with the budget they have allocated for them. And no, the answer isn't "change the budget." That falls on the board who set the relatively inflexible budget for the year.

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koreamax t1_j6o32y3 wrote

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. It seems like even mentioning the fact that theyre short staffed is perceived at criticism towards the nurses on this sub.

The fact of the matter is that striking is meant to disrupt the normal operations flow. It did, and a baby died from it. I'm sorry, but it's absurd to say "well, management should have hired nurses then!". Staffing issues aren't that simple. Yes, the strike was likely the cause of this babies death, but that doesn't mean it's the nurses fault. It's their right to strike, and in an industry like Healthcare, it should be very clear that it likely results in unnecessary deaths.

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