I glossed right over the "Super's." Wtf.

One of his aliases was "Tom Holland."

This dude didn't think terribly hard about anything.

Jordan Valley park. The corner closest to Vader Tower and the ballpark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/springfieldMO/comments/10jfkjg/apartments_for_rent/j5l7cfh/

Ah, I see. "Allows for the landlord to enforce 2 people/bedroom."

Sounds like a shit landlord tbh. I've never heard of somebody getting in trouble/not being able to renew a lease because they had a baby in their bedroom. Many parents keep the crib in their room for awhile after birth, makes getting up in the middle of the night easier.

Seems like your landlord wants an excuse to boot you and jack up prices for the next person. I'm sorry you're in this situation. Housing in this town is abysmal.

Missouri doesn't have a statewide fire code. Can you post a source? I can't find anything that regulates the number of bedrooms in relation to Springfield fire code.

Outland hasn't had one since the summer.

It was still a thing at least back in 2007-8. My friends and I drove out around 2008ish, didn't see anything.

Lol no worries dude. There's more important things than reddit.

It's definitely on the list. I've heard nothing but good things, especially about the scenery.

We all know to avoid the Karens who live on the South side. Everybody knows.

Holy fuck literally everything you just said is either completely wrong or a complete asshole thing to say. Mostly both.

Poverty is the root of every problem the north side faces. Drugs? A way to cope with abject poverty. Crime? Again, poverty.

Walking alone at night? I do it almost every single night. "The majority of pedestrians are homeless?" Completely not true, just an assumption on your part.

Don't speak for the people who really do live on the north side. We aren't "scared shitless" or "feel like we can't leave without a gun." Just because you are terrified of anybody who looks like they are less well off than you doesn't mean the rest of us are callous assholes.

Please. Stay the fuck away from the north side if that's how you feel. We don't need you or people like you up here making things worse with your jumpy, terrified-of-poor-people projection bullshit.

You clearly haven't.

Literally nobody denies it.

The posts that get downvoted to oblivion are the ones that exaggerate the problems, making it sound like there are roving bands of marauders constantly mixing it up with hordes of methadone zombies on every corner, in between nothing but trap houses and gutted buildings, when in reality, basically everybody keeps mostly to themselves. If you do have a run in with a crazy, it's usually so far out of the ordinary, which is why it sticks out and gets talked about.

The reality is that yes, there is more poverty on the north side, and yes, crime tends to follow poverty (shocking, I know), but acting like the North side is some Wild West lawless zone is absurdity. Part of the reason there is more poverty on the north side is the fact that it's older, the other part is the people up here generally have a bit more compassion and don't run people off or call the cops just for being poor and trying to get by. Plus, it's where most of the homeless resources are located.

Personally, I'd rather live up here where people tend to help each other out where they can than down on the south side where non-conformity gets you excluded.

Aww man...I missed all the tea.

So you haven't been up there at all.

Greyhound has been operating out of the downtown bus station for awhile now, and the old building doesn't even have their branding on it anymore.

Lol none of that happened.

Ok maybe the swastika tattoo.

New here?

100% didn't happen. What did happen, is the poor innocent soul up there had to stand next to somebody wearing disheveled clothes and noticed a homeless person standing outside. Their imagination did the rest.

What shelter do you suggest they go to? Everywhere is full. Emergency shelters don't open unless it's below 32. They had camps set up to keep themselves warm. Yes, it's possible to keep warm in a camp.

The only thing the police did was force people out into to the elements to try and scramble for another place to seek shelter.

Those are all features of capitalism, not bugs.

Lol you see the same thing driving down Chestnut.

I've been to California. All up and down the state. You're exaggerating the problem, and spouting talking points that have no basis in reality. Of course bigger cities in areas that stay semi-tropical year round will have more homeless. Are they much better in addressing the situation? No, but pointing at the mere existence of homeless people isn't the gotcha you think it is.

Except safe use centers destigmatize drug use and actually lead more people to a path to sobriety. Additionally, the state doesn't own the parks in Springfield, so this law doesn't apply. Plus, you've basically just said "I don't care about the problem as long as I don't have to look at it." All kicking them out of their campground does is expose them to the elements and endangers them while they have to seek a new place to shelter.

Arresting people who don't have any other options does nothing but keep them trapped in yet another cycle.