They did, for the term of their sentence.

Cities have, since they fund the police:

>New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore and a dozen other cities have all also reduced police spending.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community

That's some weak trolling bud.

17 years old is not a "kid". That's a young adult.

The police do not control the mental health system.

There is no federal role in this, it's up to the state and local authorities. The feds can provide assistance, but they have to leave this to the states to figure out. It is not in the fed's domain.

>They're in a position to change how they react to the situation. Drawing weapons was a personal choice, made by both officers.

Not based on what we know. A person menacing people with a knife is a deadly situation. The police must react if that person is threatening the life of another. We'll have to wait until more information is released, but so far there are no red flags. The police did what they're trained to do, and they're trained the way they are to protect us and the police that responded.

>If it's not warranted after the police kill a kid, then when is it warranted?

It's only warranted if they did something wrong. They're not at fault for the way our society deals with mental health. It escalated to the point where someone needed 911 and a police response, authorities told reporters that the individual was armed with a knife. So long as their procedures were carried out properly, there's nothing else to pursue. The AG will make that determination, and if not, it can be decided in the courts.

If you want to revamp the entire system, that's something that either needs to be done at the local level or by the state legislature. Cops responding to an emergency call aren't in a position to make those kind of changes, they have to follow their department's policies and procedures.

>"Mental illness isn't curable by just talking to someone."
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>But momentary emotional distress absolutely is.

We don't have any details as to why the police used lethal force so it's difficult to accept this statement. If a person is wielding a knife in a threatening manner, that's not a situation where a social worker is magically going to defuse the situation. Is it possible? Sure. But depending on how the situation played out, this may not have been avoidable. If anything, we need to address these mental health issues before it gets to a situation like this. Perhaps attempts were made and failed, we'll have to wait and see as more information becomes available. But simply pointing fingers at the police and police procedures does not appear to warranted right now.

I didn't base anything on the headline. The body of the article clearly states that the individual was armed with a knife according to the authorities. Could the reporter have gotten that wrong? Possible, but unlikely.

> You’re really going hard for the cops here

I'm going hard for not sentencing the cops based on what sounds like a justified use of force situation. So far, there aren't any red flags.

That's fine, but camping out on sidewalks isn't it. It makes no sense that people can be fined for leaving a trash bin on the curb too long but yet others can live there on the curb with no consequences.

People shouldn't have to worry about being mugged or stabbed by vagrants if they venture outside on foot.

>Headlines are not facts. We don’t know that he even had the knife when he was shot, only that it was mentioned in the 911 call.

Again, for the reading impaired:

"Police in New Hampshire shot and killed a person armed with a knife after responding to a 911 call, authorities said on Monday."

The way it's phrased describes the police shooting someone that's armed with a knife, not this alternate scenario that you've come up with.

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>I’d be sus if someone random shot an intruder and I’d want exactly the same info looked into to ensure it wasn’t actually just reckless unnecessary homicide.

Ok. Not sure what a "necessary homicide" is, but that's something. Are you trying to avoid the word "justified" because it's a term used for police involved shootings?

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>I think they’re ALL bastards because even the good ones are not actually good if they’re working with and backing up the shitty ones who should be behind bars.

That's irrational. Do you have any reason to believe that there's anything nefarious going on with the department involved with this incident? It sounds like you don't, yet you're vilifying them anyway based purely on their profession.

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>A good cop is one who quits as soon as they realize they’re working for an armed fraternity that regularly harms the public and tries to cover it up.

Are you wanting every cop on the planet to quit?

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>women get called hysterical, emotional, and MORE so often you really shouldn’t waste your time with it anymore.

Holy hell. I had no idea what your gender was nor do I care. I'm calling you irrational because your opinions here are irrational.

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>t’s not a flaw to have emotions and share them, it’s not a sign of mental illness to have strong emotions and/or feel very passionately about something.

Attributing the acts of a very small number of cops that have no connection to anyplace near here to the police involved in this incident based on almost no information is clearly not backed by any sort of logical thinking.

The courts have gotten in the way of towns enforcing anti-panhandling and vagrancy type of offenses. The best thing we could do now is to convince the homeless to pitch their tents in front of the homes of judges.

>People's are upset because cops killed a kid during a situation which at a glance does not appear to be life or death.

Based on what?

>“It’s not like they shot an unarmed person in the back”
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>Do we even know that, Captain Waitforfacts?

From the article:

"Police in New Hampshire shot and killed a person armed with a knife after responding to a 911 call, authorities said on Monday."

So yes, we know the person was armed with a knife.

>Your homeowner/cop comparison is ludicrous, irrelevant, and misleading, and I’m pretty sure you know that.

Nice dodge. You seem to suggest that a person becomes untrustworthy by simply wearing a badge. My question is on point. If the knife wielding person was shot and killed by someone without a badge, would you be as suspicious? It's a relevant question given your argument.

>my cousin died in the lobby of a Wendy’s (where he was told to stay) when the cops fired THIRTY ROUNDS in an open restaurant because an attempted robbery suspect with a fake gun was fleeing.

Assuming that's true, were any of those cops working for the police department involved with this incident? You seem to be vilifying an entire profession for the questionable actions of a select few.

Hope you never need surgery, there are surgeons out there that have committed malpractice, therefore they're all bad or at least presumed bad by your logic.

>every single time the conclusion I come to is “that’s almost never the best or only choice and is often the outright wrong choice

Lives aren't at stake when you're sitting on your ass pondering that.

>If you have more to say feel free, but if it’s more bad faith bullshit like “what if a homeowner had shot the knife wielder?” I’ll be on the bench not playing that game

Nothing bad faith about it. But you've revealed yourself as an irrational person who likely needs counseling. Your personal trauma doesn't make every cop out there an evil person. It doesn't even make the cops in the situation you described at the Wendy's evil people. I doubt any of them had the intent to kill bystanders. That sounds more like bad training, which can be the result of this whole idiotic "defund the police" BS that's going around. It's only going to get worse as the type of sentiments expressed in this thread cause more qualified people to avoid the profession leaving the police to hire any warm body they can find.

>A phone call being made to the police does not mean the person who made the call had good reason to do so

Wow, so now not only are all cops bad, but now people who call 911 are bad too. Are you a criminal? Seems like criminals might be the only people you don't have a beef with.

A guy has a knife, someone calls 911, and you're questioning the cops and the caller. Do you think the guy with the knife might have been up to something? Is that even a possibility in your mind?

I'm sure someone handed this guy a knife and told him to act out a horror movie scene as they dashed off to call 911 so they could have the cops show up and kill him. That's obviously the most likely scenario here. </s>

>why would I give the benefit of the doubt to people who are well known to be corrupt as a whole

In other words.. ACAB, right? You're just saying it in long form.

Do you have any evidence that the particular police department in this incident has a history of bad acts? Or is it just the badge that turns an ordinary person into someone that can't be trusted and must be looked at under a microscope?

If a homeowner had killed the knife wielder, would you be as suspicious?

These incidents do get reviewed, and that's part of why they haven't released a ton of information yet. But there's a whole lot of speculating going on here despite that.

>I’m saying it’s a red flag worth looking at closely when the people responsible for enforcing law and order end a civilian’s life. Do you disagree?

What I disagree with it the sentiment that just because they wear a badge that they were somehow guilty something, or the strong insinuation that they're likely to have done something wrong. It's not like they shot an unarmed person in the back.

Yes, it needs to be investigated, but considering that the individual was armed and caused enough distress that someone called 911, it's more likely than not that the police acted appropriately. Bad shoots are rare, despite what the media would have people believe.

Imagine being the cop that felt they had no choice but to end someone's life, and the public is out for blood despite knowing almost nothing about the details of the incident.

>We don’t know what happened Saturday

You could have stopped right there. Whether or not cops lie, regardless of other incidents in far away states, the only information we have (last I looked) was that the police used a taser and a firearm and the person with the knife died. Beyond that, any assumptions are pure fantasy. But it seems like a lot of people in this thread have already cast a verdict that the police are guilty, which is ironic considering that's what they're accusing the cops of.

Given a knife wielding suspect and the fact that someone was disturbed enough by the person's behavior to call 911, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the police, even if they're not 100% trustworthy. Normal folks don't wield a knife and cause others to call 911 for help to deal with them.

And yet, I'm sure you're in favor of people not answering questions when asked by police. If you don't have anything to hide, you must be guilty if you exercise the 5th, right?

Why? So they don't release incorrect information to the public. Everyone involved has their own information from their POV and there's potential camera evidence to review. They also hold information in case it heads to court so that they don't contaminate the potential juror pool.

>When I said "left alone" I mean alone. I didn't mean "leave them in the house with other people".

So now you're opening the door for the knife wielder to flee or to end their own life. Then the same people who are already vilifying the police would be angry that the cops stood by and did nothing. You're also assuming that there wasn't anyone involved that wasn't able to flee from the guy with the knife. What next, the person that called 911 gets called a murderer too? Let's make calling 911 illegal, that'll fix it for sure.

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>it was very clear that the Proud Boys were rolling in there nightly

Oh fuck off with that shit. They had nothing to do with the shooting incident with the two teens in the stolen SUV.

Many cops are men too. I don't like cops for a variety of reasons but given a situation with a bad actor with a knife vs cops using lethal force, I'm not going to jump to the cops as being bad without a good reason. Crazy that society views a knife-wielder that caused enough scare that cops were called as being the good guy with no other information.

>I am well aware and obviously I was not on scene but a person with a knife can be just left alone, maced, or tazed.

They can also be left alone and end up stabbing and killing multiple people. If the cops show up and the knife holder lunges at them, what do you want them to do? Ask politely that the perp stop stabbing them?

We don't know the facts, but most of the users in this thread have already determined that the cops are somehow at fault.

>But, a lot of cops need to grow a pair, do actual training, and not see every potential danger as one that needs to be resolved with a bullet.

Much of the public needs some actual training that not every incident where police have to use lethal force is unjustified. Remember the autonomous zone in Seattle where cops were prevented from entering and it quickly ended up with people getting shot to death by the nice peaceful people that inhabited the zone?

I walked into a TD Bank one day and told them I had forgotten my PIN, or it had glitched and wasn't taking the PIN. They set it to the PIN I typed on their terminal and left. Then I realized that they never even asked to see my ID.

I used to use them and got several of those payouts for them getting caught doing illegal things. Finally switched when they had an "update" that shutdown both their web site and their mobile app for multiple days. Awful experience. Never chose to be their customer either, they ended up with my accounts that originated all the way back with Shawmut and jumped through at least a dozen banks before dying at TD.

Police don't release that kind of information until everyone has been properly debriefed and the facts of the incident have been determined.

But yea, fuck those guys for doing their jobs. Should have just ignored the 911 call and let whatever stabby mcstab had in mind happen.

Stun guns aren't always effective. You know that, right?

>Don’t ever call municpal employees with guns!!!

911 should have an opt out program for people that want no help when someone either attacks them or is very likely to.